GT Performance Pack Level 2: Game On!

BigTaco · Oct 24, 2017

Now, if they offer a cooler set up in the 2018 Catalog.....

Oil Cooler too.....

HMMM

Add a supercharger and GT350R brake kit (both from Ford Performance) and you might have a budget Giant killer....

JDee · Oct 24, 2017

ArizonaBOSS said:
FWIW, Ford is very specific in their naming conventions, this isn't just a marketing exercise. This became standard after the 2010 Mustang GT Track Pack was released...also part of the reason there was no "Track Pack" in 2011, where it became the "Brembo Brake Package".
Track Pack = Car has to survive 30 mins thrashing on their test track w/o issues.
Performance Pack = Car has to survive 20 mins on their test track w/o issues.

So...there may be some issues if you are really pressing this thing. We know the IRS pumpkin doesn't hold enough volume to adequately cool at the limit, without addition of an external cooler--and this car doesn't have one.

That is very interesting. My first Mustang was one of those '11 Brembo cars, I always just assumed it was kind of a "track pack lite" model, did not know there was no track pack made that year. It was not a track car for sure.

20 minute sessions work for me these days and the car as well, temps never came above normal. Next time out I'm going to shoot some surface temp readings on the diff and trans just for interest sake, I know that won't reflect the real oil temp but it might be a good to know thing. I have the BG stuff in both of them.

FTBR has a complete diff cooler kit for $999. It could be a good investment. I always thought the MT82 was the weakest point on these cars though and I don't know of any fluid cooler for it, other than the FP air scoop.

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VoodooBoss · Oct 24, 2017

I don’t think the PP cars need the GT350 brakes. Add brake cooling and you should be good to go.

2012-Boss · Oct 24, 2017

I would agree with Rick, the new PP brakes are pretty good, especially with brake ducts, race pads, and good dot 4 fluid. The next thing I would look at are belts, a roll bar, possibly a seat, and then cooling for the diff, engine, and trans.

smallblock · Nov 18, 2017

Upon reading the new PP2 specs, I found it to be dissapointing. When optioned similar to the 2018 Camaro 1LE it falls short in several areas. First, there are no coolers for the differential and transmission, they aren’t even offered as an option. 1LE they come standard. Second, 1LE comes with 2-piece rotors and brembo calipers on all 4 corners, PP2 does not. Third, non-rotatable 10.5” and 11” wheels. 1LE is also non-rotatable but has 11” all the way around and a 305 tire should really be on a 11” wheel. Fourth, PPT2 does not include dual mode exhaust, 1LE it’s standard. So we are left having to shell out a couple grand for aftermarket coolers, a grand for rotors and potentially sacrificing warranty on some of the most expensive components, defeating the point of purchasing a brand new vehicle, all while costing approximately $1500 more.

That being said, I think the pricing strategy on all 2018 trims is a bit much, and is probably going to result in heavy incentives. To my eyes, it’s is no-longer a clear styling win either but that’s subjective.

The next vehicle I purchase will be relatively track capable out of the box, I was hoping this would be it. I guess I’ll keep my old GT with the big dumb axle and keep saving for a second-hand GT350 ;D

302BOB · Nov 18, 2017

The GT350 you get will surely be an upgrade you will enjoy...

steveespo · Nov 18, 2017

I’ll let you all know in May when my car gets here. Standard PP ‘18 ran 2:08 at VIR full last week on stock Pilot Super Sports (255/275) and 10 speed auto with 1000 miles on it. Nick was running 2:04s in his 350R on Hoosier R7s and race pads. The new car is something to be reckoned with. Driver of the ‘18 is good but Nick is better too.

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smallblock · Nov 19, 2017

steveespo said:
I’ll let you all know in May when my car gets here. Standard PP ‘18 ran 2:08 at VIR full last week on stock Pilot Super Sports (255/275) and 10 speed auto with 1000 miles on it. Nick was running 2:04s in his 350R on Hoosier R7s and race pads. The new car is something to be reckoned with. Driver of the ‘18 is good but Nick is better too.

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I have no doubt it will be fast, it’s just that for 1LE money I want comparable survival hardware, primarily coolers. The mt-82 needs all the help it can get to survive, along with he diff. Nothing worse than limp mode or mechanical failures on your HPDE day, I’ve been there!

Are you selling your 15? Did you order the PP1 or PP2?

The_Dead_Cow · Nov 19, 2017

smallblock said:
Upon reading the new PP2 specs, I found it to be dissapointing. When optioned similar to the 2018 Camaro 1LE it falls short in several areas. First, there are no coolers for the differential and transmission, they aren’t even offered as an option. 1LE they come standard. Second, 1LE comes with 2-piece rotors and brembo calipers on all 4 corners, PP2 does not. Third, non-rotatable 10.5” and 11” wheels. 1LE is also non-rotatable but has 11” all the way around and a 305 tire should really be on a 11” wheel. Fourth, PPT2 does not include dual mode exhaust, 1LE it’s standard. So we are left having to shell out a couple grand for aftermarket coolers, a grand for rotors and potentially sacrificing warranty on some of the most expensive components, defeating the point of purchasing a brand new vehicle, all while costing approximately $1500 more.

That being said, I think the pricing strategy on all 2018 trims is a bit much, and is probably going to result in heavy incentives. To my eyes, it’s is no-longer a clear styling win either but that’s subjective.

The next vehicle I purchase will be relatively track capable out of the box, I was hoping this would be it. I guess I’ll keep my old GT with the big dumb axle and keep saving for a second-hand GT350 ;D

The "bang for the buck" on the 1LE is very high in the realm of track cars IMO. In addition to what you stated they also have a forward looking camera complete with overplayed data, track map, and lap timing. If I wadded up my 350 tomorrow, I'd most likely end up in one of those.

Tommy J · Nov 21, 2017

smallblock said:
Upon reading the new PP2 specs, I found it to be dissapointing. When optioned similar to the 2018 Camaro 1LE it falls short in several areas. First, there are no coolers for the differential and transmission, they aren’t even offered as an option. 1LE they come standard. Second, 1LE comes with 2-piece rotors and brembo calipers on all 4 corners, PP2 does not. Third, non-rotatable 10.5” and 11” wheels. 1LE is also non-rotatable but has 11” all the way around and a 305 tire should really be on a 11” wheel. Fourth, PPT2 does not include dual mode exhaust, 1LE it’s standard. So we are left having to shell out a couple grand for aftermarket coolers, a grand for rotors and potentially sacrificing warranty on some of the most expensive components, defeating the point of purchasing a brand new vehicle, all while costing approximately $1500 more.

That being said, I think the pricing strategy on all 2018 trims is a bit much, and is probably going to result in heavy incentives. To my eyes, it’s is no-longer a clear styling win either but that’s subjective.

The next vehicle I purchase will be relatively track capable out of the box, I was hoping this would be it. I guess I’ll keep my old GT with the big dumb axle and keep saving for a second-hand GT350 ;D

This is a very good point as I've been going back and fourth about a 2018 purchase.

smallblock · Nov 21, 2017

The_Dead_Cow said:
The "bang for the buck" on the 1LE is very high in the realm of track cars IMO. In addition to what you stated they also have a forward looking camera complete with overplayed data, track map, and lap timing. If I wadded up my 350 tomorrow, I'd most likely end up in one of those.

The camera is a slick piece for sure, one less thing to set-up and mess with at the track and then edit at home, all the data is automatically overlayed and synced which is awesome. I haven't gotten to that point with my own vids yet.

Tommy J said:
This is a very good point as I've been going back and fourth about a 2018 purchase.

From a HDPE perspective, the 1LE appears to be a much better value I hate to say it, but I don't care much for the styling and high belt line.

Grant 302 · Nov 21, 2017

smallblock said:
From a HDPE perspective, the 1LE appears to be a much better value I hate to say it, but I don't care much for the styling and high belt line.

GM has done an excellent job on that note. That they can make me even consider the swap speaks well for them. I don't mind the styling or the high belt line either.

Ford is definitely 'pay to play' with the performance model/options. I do wish they would release a 1LE fighter in 'GTS' form that's a low option/stripped-down GT model like has been done in the distant (relatively speaking) past. '95 or '97 IIRC.

Tommy J · Dec 24, 2017

Anyone find any updated news on the PPL2?

BigTaco · Dec 24, 2017

VoodooBoss said:
I don’t think the PP cars need the GT350 brakes. Add brake cooling and you should be good to go.

No, you never really need it. But why not go for it? For the money, you could probably out brake most cars and would have cheap parts shelve consumables. It really depends on the individual budget, but I’m really curious to see how a PP2 car with these brakes and a supercharger would stack up against the ZL1....

mustanggo · Apr 13, 2018

Hey I’m new to this, so please bear with me. I was wondering if anybody knows why on the PP2 are the front wheels narrower than the rear? The tires are the same size, so this makes no sense to me. Neither Ford customer relations or Marketing could answer this.

JDee · Apr 13, 2018

I believe it's to make them fit easier without having to do funky things with spacers, camber plates and so forth. Spacers are not road legal in parts of the world, specifically, the part I live in. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it's that way on the GT350 also.

mustanggo · Apr 13, 2018

JDee said:
I believe it's to make them fit easier without having to do funky things with spacers, camber plates and so forth. Spacers are not road legal in parts of the world, specifically, the part I live in. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it's that way on the GT350 also.

I appreciate your input.

Norm Peterson · Apr 14, 2018

Slightly narrower wheels up front for the same size tires generally results in a bit more understeer from the wheel & tire part of the puzzle up toward the car's cornering limits than you'd get with a fully 'square' setup. It's considered more stable and easier for most drivers (taken at random) to cope with when they get in over their heads and/or things start heading south. It's a less understeerish approach than going narrower with the front tires and going a whole inch narrower with the front wheels like the PP1 and many of the Camaros.

Norm

mustanggo · Apr 14, 2018

Norm Peterson said:
Slightly narrower wheels up front for the same size tires generally results in a bit more understeer from the wheel & tire part of the puzzle up toward the car's cornering limits than you'd get with a fully 'square' setup. It's considered more stable and easier for most drivers (taken at random) to cope with when they get in over their heads and/or things start heading south. It's a less understeerish approach than going narrower with the front tires and going a whole inch narrower with the front wheels like the PP1 and many of the Camaros.

Norm

Thanks for your input Norm. I thought there may have been a clearance problem of some sort. It’s unfortunate that you can’t rotate the tires without breaking them off the rims.

RES_22 · Apr 14, 2018

It’s about “safety through slip-angle” management.

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