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Autoblip issue in competition use

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captdistraction

GrumpyRacer
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Long story short I bought a autoblip and immediately had issues with it.

The car would go into limp mode fairly repeatedly regardless of the state the autoblip was in. I had built a bypass for it because I somewhat anticipated that risk having seen similar behavior on other cars and the effect it has on a race weekend (being towed in, or losing sessions).

Well I spoke with the company that makes them today and the issue is driven very specifically by a loss of either the +12V or ground signal (both taps on the brake pedal). When that happens it can drain power from the TPS signals, and once the ECU sees variance from TPS1 or 2 to each other, it shuts down.

The included T-Taps are likely my issue (as it would fail running or bypassed), I checked them carefully to make sure they had good contact on the wires, but the recommendation from Tractive Technology was to solder this unit in.

My concern is that once soldered in that the only option I have to disable the system is to literally cut it out, and if it begins misbehaving during a race, I'm done.

So what I proposed was to build a relay that would disconnect the two TPS signals from the autoblip, effectively preventing it from altering those signals regardless of state of the +12V or ground. (whereas the way I have it now wouldn't have been effective as moving the bypass to OFF would literally create this issue). It would likely have to be solid state, but still risk that anything happening to those signals would cause the ECU to go into limp mode. Tractive Technology recommended against this and mentioned again they feel soldering it in would solve my issues.

For a HPDE car, this isn't a huge deal but for a competition car I cannot add anything that takes any bit of reliability from the car. My options are to sell the unit (I have it listed for now) or try this solid state relay or other means of physical disconnection (maybe just a DPST switch on the TPS circuits versus a relay? Is a switch reliable enough to deal with vibration?)

Wanted to get thoughts on this. I know they've been reliable for others but I cannot take on any risk.
 
Since you had issues from the very beginning... It is either an issue with the install or an issue with the unit itself?

I installed mine and it worked intermittently.... Tracked it back to my install. My connections going over the t-clips were not fully seated. Once that was corrected, it has been performing flawlessly... Had the car on track @ VIR this passed weekend and super impressed with how it worked.
 

captdistraction

GrumpyRacer
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Phoenix, Az
Correct, something was wrong with my install, one of the two t-taps on the brake pedal sensor are making intermittent contact. I took them apart and couldn't find anything wrong, but this thread is more targeted at what I can do to have a safety net against this type of issue (either a relay or switched safety disconnect)
 
I assume you have a 2017 since you are referencing the 12v.

Do you have any pics of the install?

Sorry I don't have anything to contribute regarding a safety net if the unit fails.
 
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Why not just solder-in spade terminal jumpers?

Tight friction-fit connectors that permit a high confidence installation. Let’s you rip-out the unit at earliest indication of trouble.
 

captdistraction

GrumpyRacer
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Phoenix, Az
So the plan is (should I decide to try this):

Investigate the feasibility of either a solid state relay with two circuit interrupts, or a dual pole single throw switch on the two TPS taps to disconnect the autoblip from the car on the fly.

Solder in all connections and ensure absolute connectivity and jacketing as necessary to protect those critical circuits.

Any thoughts?
 

ArizonaBOSS

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"Easiest" way to get that work done might be to remove the dash completely so you can do the soldering in a position other than on your back.
 
Before putting in all this effort I’d reinstall it and make sure it works properly. Once properly installed there should be no issues. Then decide from there.
 

captdistraction

GrumpyRacer
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Phoenix, Az
Before putting in all this effort I’d reinstall it and make sure it works properly. Once properly installed there should be no issues. Then decide from there.

Either way for my use Andres mentioned that it has to be soldered in, so adding a bypass switch wouldn't be that much more work.

Its looking more and more like a simple DPST switch would fit the bill, there's no simple 12V DPST SSR for this exact application (and looks like heat comes into play with those)
 

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