j3st3r said:

This mean the stock rotors might be for sale?

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Not the stock ones - if I sell or trade in, I'll need them. I do have a pair of RB 2-piece directional vane iron rear rotors that I don't need, though.

Keep us informed on the rotor wear. If i start eating iron rotors at track days it could be worth the cost there.

Hell the 15lbs per corner on the front alone might be worth it, the rears are a little more difficult to justify.

Did you drive them front only at all? would that mess up brake balance or anything ?

Thanks. (sorry n00b questions)

I'll update on rotor wear once it starts ;-)

As of this morning, the fronts have 15 track days and they don't look any different than they did new. There's no lip forming at the edge - the line you see in the picture at the edge is just that, a line where the pad doesn't touch the rotor. The pads in the picture are Pagid RSL29's with about 8 or 9 track days on them. I don't know why they're lasting so well, except that the rotors, being ceramic, don't actually wear. They're hard like a dinner plate. I think with iron rotors, the pad wears the rotor and the rotor wears the pad. With these, the only wear is on the pad and it's sliding on a very smooth surface.

I ran these fronts with iron rears for 11 of the 15 track days. I ran both RSL29's up front as well as RB's sintered metal pads. The brake balance with either front pad is fine with OEM rear pads or with RSL29's.

Has anybody used the Tony Brakohiapa rotors/pads? Any thoughts? I think they look good but would love some feedback before I make the big investment. Thanks.
http://www.tonybracing.com/tbrperformance/

Jason Overman said:

Has anybody used the Tony Brakohiapa rotors/pads? Any thoughts? I think they look good but would love some feedback before I make the big investment. Thanks.
http://www.tonybracing.com/tbrperformance/

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Did you end up ordering them? I've discussed them at length with Tony and it seems clear that the weight savings and longevity are worth the price difference from just about any iron rotor option.

Not yet...been saving up. I think this is my next upgrade...unless I put the 350R in 2nd spot and get a pretty new C8 Z06 when they come out! (yea...I know...heresy on a Mustang site, but I acknowledge automotive greatness from all manufacturers!)

I do like the longevity, lightness, lack of dust and track tolerance of these rotors...they are definitely some of the best bang for buck CCBs I have seen.

JAJ said:

I'll update on rotor wear once it starts ;-)

As of this morning, the fronts have 15 track days and they don't look any different than they did new. There's no lip forming at the edge - the line you see in the picture at the edge is just that, a line where the pad doesn't touch the rotor. The pads in the picture are Pagid RSL29's with about 8 or 9 track days on them. I don't know why they're lasting so well, except that the rotors, being ceramic, don't actually wear. They're hard like a dinner plate. I think with iron rotors, the pad wears the rotor and the rotor wears the pad. With these, the only wear is on the pad and it's sliding on a very smooth surface.

I ran these fronts with iron rears for 11 of the 15 track days. I ran both RSL29's up front as well as RB's sintered metal pads. The brake balance with either front pad is fine with OEM rear pads or with RSL29's.

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Any news on long term longevity or issues? I'm just about to pull the trigger on either RB or TBR CCBs. Thanks!

Jason Overman said:

Any news on long term longevity or issues? I'm just about to pull the trigger on either RB or TBR CCBs. Thanks!

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I've had zero issues with the CCB's. Since I put the fronts on in July 2017 I've done 2860 track miles with them. If I posted a picture of them today, they'd look identical to the picture in this thread from June 2019 - the new brake pads in that picture have worn down but that's about it. Putting it another way, the results that TBR show on their website - lots of laps and little pad wear - are my experience too. They show 2035 track miles under race conditions on a single set of pads; I've put about 2500 track miles under HPDE conditions on my first set of pads. By the way, I've been running brake cooling deflectors at the front - I started with Cooltech and switched to Vorshlag this year.

I would strongly urge you to go with the RB product because of their new friction ring technology. My fronts from 2017 use repurposed Corvette ZR1 friction rings (I think this is what you get with TBR), but my rears - 2019 - are a newer "CCM" material that's exclusive to RB and that they use for all their kits now. Based on my research into CCM rotor materials, the new CCM material handles heat better and will outlast the previous generation products.

As for brake pads, I've been running Pagid RSL29's with good results, but at 2500 or so track miles they're pretty much done. With that in mind, I'm trying out a new compound from RB called ST-600. They bill it as a street+track pad, comparable to the Pagid RSC1 compound. Unfortunately, my new ST-600's were delivered just after the 2020 track season ended, so I've driven them on the street (they're great - excellent bite and feel) but not on the track yet.

So that's the update. You'll love them.

Outstanding info! MANY THANKS! The cooling deflectors: needed in the GT350R? Guess it cools rotors and extends rotor life? Was the Cooltech just too small a deflector plate, or did u have any other qualms about it? Thanks!

Jason Overman said:

Outstanding info! MANY THANKS! The cooling deflectors: needed in the GT350R? Guess it cools rotors and extends rotor life? Was the Cooltech just too small a deflector plate, or did u have any other qualms about it? Thanks!

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So, since 2005 or so, I've always run titanium shims in my front brakes and I still do - I forgot to mention that in the post above. I installed the Cooltech deflectors initially in 2017 when I switched to CCB just to make sure the calipers didn't overheat with the CCB's. Once I was sure the calipers were ok, I took them off, and I ran most of the 2019 track season without any deflectors. But, as I was getting ready for 2020, I decided to switch from expensive and hard to get specialty brake fluids to the OEM DOT 4LV Motorcraft product. So, I ordered up a set of Vorshlag deflectors and switched to the OEM fluid. To make sure I was on the safe side, I put Alcon caliper temp strips on the calipers, and they tell me the calipers have stayed cool enough through the short but intense 2020 season that the OEM fluid is well within limits. That's the setup I plan to stick with, and that's why I'm running deflectors.

That said, the deflectors probably keep the rotors cooler as well, but they weren't the issue I was concerned about.

Makes sense...I was kinda iffy on the Vorshlag deflectors 'cause they kinda looked like a costly piece of aluminum sheet with a bend, but I guess more flow is better than less and they likely put some time into the best design. I think anything that can help whoa-down our somewhat heavy track cars is probably a good thing, and cooling that system is key to longevity. Thanks, again!

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...they kinda looked like a costly piece of aluminum sheet with a bend,..

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That's exactly what they are! They're quite a bit bigger than the Cooltech ones. I figured that, given that none of this is cheap, I'd just swallow hard and get a set.

Agreed...think I'll go big, too...COTA is unrelenting on the binders!

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Agreed...think I'll go big, too...COTA is unrelenting on the binders!

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I'll be very curious to hear your impressions of these at COTA. As far as I know, no one has run these rotors this hard on a 350. 4 different corners at COTA will get your brakes glowing. Awesome stuff!

NICE PIC! I'll have to attend one of the summer night events to enjoy the glow!

As I was about to receive my deflectors for Christmas, I read this article...now I'm nervous. Seems the only good airflow, per this article, is in the center of the rotor, otherwise uneven cooling and problems. Thoughts?

JAJ said:

.... and it can be improved with ventilated stainless pistons....

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I recognize that this is an old thread, but could you elaborate on the ventilated pistons?
I can't seem to locate ones for the Mustang Calipers, only ones for motorcycles.

Thanks.

Gidyupp said:

I recognize that this is an old thread, but could you elaborate on the ventilated pistons?
I can't seem to locate ones for the Mustang Calipers, only ones for motorcycles.

Thanks.

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I won't post a link because I don't know if Racing Brake is a board supporter or not. In any case, the part you're looking for is BF-62BSP. It's a complete kit of vented stainless pistons with seals and dust boots. I'm pretty sure that they're not the only supplier of stainless pistons, but unfortunately, I can't remember who else has them. I checked the board supporter scroll across the bottom of the forum page and none of them has them.

JAJ said:

I won't post a link because I don't know if Racing Brake is a board supporter or not. In any case, the part you're looking for is BF-62BSP. It's a complete kit of vented stainless pistons with seals and dust boots. I'm pretty sure that they're not the only supplier of stainless pistons, but unfortunately, I can't remember who else has them. I checked the board supporter scroll across the bottom of the forum page and none of them has them.

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Seriously….this and your other thread pertaining to your CCB experiences have been very helpful. I still need to put in a lot more seat time to improve my pace, but to look at this information and think “well, the pads and rotors will need to be replaced anyway and, over time, the life of CCB will close the cost gap, plus I would reap all the daily and track benefits” has me considering a set up front over the winter.

Thank you for all the reporting.

Finally installed TBR CCBs, and a 1st event for break-in. Only put CCBs on front. Finally got a good transfer layer after 2 sessions at Harris Hill, so really only got one session at speed, and seems to be at least comparable to the iron brakes. Front end seems a bit nimbler with weight reduction. As the track was a bit worse for wear than my previous HHR outing in 2020, I couldn't break my PB on track, but was less than a second away. I also installed Vorshlag deflectors for the inside of the rotor, along with titanium pad shims to help heat stay isolated in the rotor and pad. I am thinking the dividends will really show at COTA. I'll post a follow-up after next event.