2018 PP1 vs PP2

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  1. VoodooBoss

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    Here's a good video review of the two cars. They liked the auto in the PP1 on track but not on the street. I was underwhelmed with the auto during my street test drive. The 4.4 second difference in lap times between the two cars can largely be attributed to the 305 square SC2 tires on the PP2.

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    I would certainly hope the PP2 would be faster :)
     
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    I have put many miles on at gingerman and a 1:44 in stock trim is amazing. I run that in my BOSS with 285 square slicks on. Makes me want to switch cars! I like the body on the new ones.

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    Gotta wonder how much the A10 hurt the PP1 too. Hate tests that are apples and oranges. I remain unconvinced that a conventional auto is going to be quicker than a manual in the hands of a competent driver.
     
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    I would agree to a point. But a well tuned 10 speed that downshift to the correct gear and that shifts really fast should keep the motor in the proper power band, and overall, longer in the peak power than a 6 speed manual. Depends on gear spacing etc too. But it theoretically could be faster.

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    I’m still learning my GT350 capabilities vs my old STI. I’m down to 1:45 with it at Gingerman but I left plenty on the table. Working on each corner and my new AIM solo2 will help a lot. Fast time there for the GT350R is like a 1:39


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    The boss will lose at least one second probably two on the straight away due to low power. It also loses time in the off-camber extension due to no rear grip solid axle. With optimal conditions and sticker tires I don't think a stock Boss can do much more than a 1:43.

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    Yep. 1:43 is not a slouch time by any means. Having a IRS and 526 Hp at the motor certainly gives the GT350 an edge.


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    We have a Silver PP2 in stock, and when considering the reviews I still think the Stangs suffer from stock camber settings for the front struts.I know my GT 350 really changed it's dynamics once I installed M&M Camber Plates......and the Sport Cups really shine with strong negative camber up front! 1 LE is a worthy, though ugly competitor, but always amazed how small changes on the Mustang seem to put it ahead on tracks in our area.
     
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    The driver is also a factor in the mix of things...all tho not in all cases.........I'll leave it at that...:rolleyes:
     
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    Bob, are you trying to imply that wearing a Bowtie does not make one as competent, debonair, and downright handsome as a Boss or 350 Driver?
     
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    PP2 is hamstrung by its transmission. The MT-82D4 is a fine shifting unit but Ford basically removed 3rd gear from it and made an extra overdrive. I am swapping a 2017 Calimer prepped unit into my car this fall. Data from my 2016 car indicates a 3-5 second per lap improvement. At Watkins Glen cornering times are down .5 seconds per lap on average but times between straights are UP by 5.75 seconds. Much of this is time spent in the wrong part of the power band due to the missing gear.
     
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    Too bad you couldn’t get the 10 speed auto on the PP2. Are you installing a DSC controller?
     
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    Not getting controller yet. May purchase the controlled coil overs next spring and will get controller then. Headers, oil cooler and trans will be the rest of this years mods.


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    I have a 2018 GT PP1 with MT-82D4 trans, and I overtook my friend who was in a 2015 GT PP1 on the back straight at VIR. He was topping out in 5th gear at 135 mph and I was still in 4th gear hitting 145 mph. So I guess on tracks with long straights there is some merit to the D4's longer gearing.

    Although I do generally agree it is annoying that Ford made the 1:1 gear 4th in the D4. I'd imagine this is a detriment in most cases.
     
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    That doesn’t prove anything as it depends on your exit speed from the previous speed for one thing.


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    Ok, that's fair. I was behind him running pretty close, wasn't gaining ground or losing it before. I'd say we had similar exit speeds although he was in front of me so he hit the throttle earlier.

    I do also have the gen 3 coyote which is higher HP/torque. He has performance upgrades and my car's engine is stock so the power gap isn't as big as two stock engines. However, there is a difference so this is certainly a factor.

    I'm not trying to prove anything here, just throwing out my recent experience.
     

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