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2019 GT500 Speculation

I think it will way more track orientated than previous GT 500s ---you heard it hear first.
I agree 100%. This car will be designed to go up against the ZR1 which is primarily a track racer. This is not to say it will not be capable of performing well at the strip. Only Dodge designs their performance vehicles just for the strip. Just don't see Ford designing a performance vehicle just to be a Sunday cruiser, or a drag strip racecar since it will easily be priced well over 100K and who knows what the ADM will be. Ford needs to remain competitive with the Porsches and Camaros, not so much with Dodge Demon. Just wonder if Ford will retire the GT350 label soon after the 500 is released.
 
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Only Dodge designs their performance vehicles just for the strip. Just don't see Ford designing a performance vehicle just to be a Sunday cruiser, or a drag strip racecar since it will easily be priced well over 100K.
That is what the last GT500 was.
 
That is what the last GT500 was.
yes...Ford did make the most recent variant of the 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 more track capable back then didn't they. They had introduced a $2995 Track Package that included an external engine oil cooler, plus coolers for the differential and transmission. They also offered for this vehicle a $3495 Performance Package that included a Torsen limited-slip diff, sportier springs, larger anti-roll bars and, most important, cockpit-selectable Bilstein dampers with Normal and Sport settings.

I'm still waiting to see the Nürburgring (Nordschleife) track times for that vehicle. Would you happen to know what it's lap time was what...6 years ago now??? Was it close to the 2018 ZL1's time of 7:16.04? I've heard the bowtie boys are trying this year to get both the 'Maro and the new ZR1 both under 7 minutes at Nürburgring. Wonder if Ford has this level of performance in mind for the new GT500.
 

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The big(ish) wang in the video there is a pretty good indicator that it's twisty track-oriented rather than built for drag racing. I won't be surprised to see it get bigger.

The only people who give a [email protected]#$ about the Demon are the ones who are gunning it every stoplight or cruising parking lots. I have seen a grand total of one Challenger on the track and it was a barge.

The money is at the road course and that's what they're playing to. Now that American cars can turn (insert Japanese/Euro fanboi screeching here) and now that Ford is manufacturing Mustangs for the world, there's hardly any reason to build a factory drag car.
 
The big(ish) wang in the video there is a pretty good indicator that it's twisty track-oriented rather than built for drag racing. I won't be surprised to see it get bigger.

The only people who give a [email protected]#$ about the Demon are the ones who are gunning it every stoplight or cruising parking lots. I have seen a grand total of one Challenger on the track and it was a barge.

The money is at the road course and that's what they're playing to. Now that American cars can turn (insert Japanese/Euro fanboi screeching here) and now that Ford is manufacturing Mustangs for the world, there's hardly any reason to build a factory drag car.
What video Chris?
 
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yes...Ford did make the most recent variant of the 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 more track capable back then didn't they. They had introduced a $2995 Track Package that included an external engine oil cooler, plus coolers for the differential and transmission. They also offered for this vehicle a $3495 Performance Package that included a Torsen limited-slip diff, sportier springs, larger anti-roll bars and, most important, cockpit-selectable Bilstein dampers with Normal and Sport settings.

I'm still waiting to see the Nürburgring (Nordschleife) track times for that vehicle. Would you happen to know what it's lap time was what...6 years ago now??? Was it close to the 2018 ZL1's time of 7:16.04? I've heard the bowtie boys are trying this year to get both the 'Maro and the new ZR1 both under 7 minutes at Nürburgring. Wonder if Ford has this level of performance in mind for the new GT500.
That's not much of a track focused package with relatively small tires, tiny brakes, no aero, etc.

Ford never lists lap times so we will probably never know.
 
My bad. Ford posted a teaser video on their Facebook page not long ago. I thought it was on this thread too but I guess not. Here you go!
My eyes must be going bad Chris. Did not see a big wang in the promo vid. I want to see something like what the Viper had. Ford can throw in active-aero too but then I would have to be dreaming to ever see this. Ford needs to take on the bowtie's best or this vehicle will never get off the ground. 700+ HP is not good if you can't use it. Can only hope and pray that Ford's not designing this car just for the Cars and Coffee crowd.
 
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...I'm still waiting to see the Nürburgring (Nordschleife) track times for that vehicle. Would you happen to know what it's lap time was what...6 years ago now??? ...
Ford released the video of the 13/14 GT500 on the Nordschleife and another forum picked it up and set it up as a split-screen with the fast Camaro (ZL1?) of the day. The two cars basically ran the same lap time, as I recall, with the Camaro slightly faster on the corners and the GT500 faster on the straights. As I recall, the lap time was 7:37 or so.
 

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My eyes must be going bad Chris. Did not see a big wang in the promo vid. I want to see something like what the Viper had. Ford can throw in active-aero too but then I would have to be dreaming to ever see this. Ford needs to take on the bowtie's best or this vehicle will never get off the ground. 700+ HP is not good if you can't use it. Can only hope and pray that Ford's not designing this car just for the Cars and Coffee crowd.

I may have exaggerated a bit. It's big in comparison to previous GT500 spoilers. If you watch the car as it drives away at the :25 second mark and again at :29, you can see a Steeda-ish wing on the back. Since this is an early video, my guess is that they'll take that wing and make it taller a la the ZL1 1LE. It's not something like the Viper, which is not really a GT500 competitor (whole different class of car).
 
If Ford does price the GT500 in the $100k range that would be a huge mistake, its needs to be in the $70k range.

ZL1 1LE is in the $70k's and a C7 Z06 in the $80k's. If the new GT500 is $100k I would have to say bye to Ford and say hello to a new C7 Z06 and save $20k in the process.
 
If Ford does price the GT500 in the $100k range that would be a huge mistake, its needs to be in the $70k range.

ZL1 1LE is in the $70k's and a C7 Z06 in the $80k's. If the new GT500 is $100k I would have to say bye to Ford and say hello to a new C7 Z06 and save $20k in the process.
Yep...I agree. I think this is Ford's price point for this vehicle however the problem is with those pesky ADM's. Ford should increase it's production totals for all it's HO performance vehicles and those nasty ADM problem goes away. When will Ford ever learn ADM's hamper sales. 100K is too much for American Muscle unless your going after European supercars.
 
If Ford sells every unit. How do ADM’s hamper sales?
Price is a huge factor in many buyers decision as to what car they will buy. How many Corvette Stingray owners would have loved to have bought a Z06 instead if they only could afford it. The price diffential is about 25K. Also, when the 2013 Boss LS came out dealers were marking it up 30-35K ADM in the mid-Atlanic area for this vehicle. I know as I refused to buy at that price here. I did find a dealer however in Florida that sold me the same car for just 2K over MSRP. So it impacted my decision. Price matters. I would be willing to bet Ford could sell more vehicles (at a profit too) if ADM did not exist. You don't hear about Chevy marking up there Corvettes so you? Quite the contrary, you don't often find people even paying MSRP for Corvettes. Chevy makes more Corvettes then they can sell in a calendar year. That's why you see Corvettes that are 2 years old that sitting on dealers lots. Chevy dealers heavily discount these new vehicles and I bet Chevy and the dealers are still making a profit on those vehicle too. You don't see this happen with Ford performance vehicles do you? So who is wrong and who is right? Apparently they both believe their way is the best way to market their vehicles. IMHO I think Ford could sell more performance vehicles if they just upped their artificially low production limits of these vehicles. You don't think you will be able to get a GT500 for MSRP when it is first introduced do you? Seems as if Ford limits it's production numbers to boost dealer profit while Chevy believes in selling more volume at a lower price to make profit.
 
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Not to argue, but.. Ford sold every unit they chose to sell. The ADMs May have had an affect on you, not ford or their sales. So, they sell 100% of projections and their dealers also do well. Sounds like they ave learned.
I have not paid ADM. I ordered the Boss and a replacement GT-350 both at list. Life got in the way of the 350. Dealership sold it the day I had to let it go.
Chevy has offered performance vettes and camaros at serious discounts. Maybe they need to take a business lesson from Ford. Maybe they have.
 

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Price is a huge factor in many buyers decision as to what car they will buy. How many Corvette Stingray owners would have loved to have bought a Z06 instead if they only could afford it. The price diffential is about 25K. Also, when the 2013 Boss LS came out dealers were marking it up 30-35K ADM in the mid-Atlanic area for this vehicle. I know as I refused to buy at that price here. I did find a dealer however in Florida that sold me the same car for just 2K over MSRP. So it impacted my decision. Price matters. I would be willing to bet Ford could sell more vehicles (at a profit too) if ADM did not exist. You don't hear about Chevy marking up there Corvettes so you? Quite the contrary, you don't often find people even paying MSRP for Corvettes. Chevy makes more Corvettes then they can sell in a calendar year. That's why you see Corvettes that are 2 years old that sitting on dealers lots. Chevy dealers heavily discount these new vehicles and I bet Chevy and the dealers are still making a profit on those vehicle too. You don't see this happen with Ford performance vehicles do you? So who is wrong and who is right? Apparently they both believe their way is the best way to market their vehicles. IMHO I think Ford could sell more performance vehicles if they just upped their artificially low production limits of these vehicles. You don't think you will be able to get a GT500 for MSRP when it is first introduced do you? Seems as if Ford limits it's production numbers to boost dealer profit while Chevy believes in selling more volume at a lower price to make profit.

I don't think you meant to, but you kind of made a case for ADM. Cars sitting on the lots cost the dealers and the manufacturer money and tells me as a consumer that people aren't buying them, even at a heavily discounted price. It makes me wonder why that's the case, which is even worse for the company. There are two possibilities here, which is that Chevy's vehicles suck so bad that people aren't buying them even at MSRP or lower, or that they're overproducing them and whoever is in charge of planning at Chevy is doing a piss-poor job of articulating supply and demand. Based on GM's past performance, I'd guess it's the latter, and that's not good over the long term.

If you aren't buying Ford products because they have ADM, but others are, then you aren't their target audience. It's two different approaches to the same business problem. One company is making a profit based on volume and the other is making it by controlling demand (through reduced production numbers). I can't say for sure which one wins out in the end, but having inventory sitting on the shelves because you've produced too much for the current demand is generally not a good thing. Having it fly off the shelves so quickly that you can't keep up isn't always a good thing either, but it's a much better problem to have and at least Ford has the option to reduce prices and ramp up production if they need to, whereas Chevy can't do the opposite (significantly increase prices and reduce production numbers) without taking a big PR (and potentially sales) hit.

Bottom line is that if people are scrambling to get the Fords, even with ADM, and two year old Chevys are still sitting on the lot, it means Ford is doing significantly better business and they may be more successful over the long term because of it.
 
I don't think you meant to, but you kind of made a case for ADM. Cars sitting on the lots cost the dealers and the manufacturer money and tells me as a consumer that people aren't buying them, even at a heavily discounted price. It makes me wonder why that's the case, which is even worse for the company. There are two possibilities here, which is that Chevy's vehicles suck so bad that people aren't buying them even at MSRP or lower, or that they're overproducing them and whoever is in charge of planning at Chevy is doing a piss-poor job of articulating supply and demand. Based on GM's past performance, I'd guess it's the latter, and that's not good over the long term.

If you aren't buying Ford products because they have ADM, but others are, then you aren't their target audience. It's two different approaches to the same business problem. One company is making a profit based on volume and the other is making it by controlling demand (through reduced production numbers). I can't say for sure which one wins out in the end, but having inventory sitting on the shelves because you've produced too much for the current demand is generally not a good thing. Having it fly off the shelves so quickly that you can't keep up isn't always a good thing either, but it's a much better problem to have and at least Ford has the option to reduce prices and ramp up production if they need to, whereas Chevy can't do the opposite (significantly increase prices and reduce production numbers) without taking a big PR (and potentially sales) hit.

Bottom line is that if people are scrambling to get the Fords, even with ADM, and two year old Chevys are still sitting on the lot, it means Ford is doing significantly better business and they may be more successful over the long term because of it.
What's a better deal for the car guy/gal consumer? Is it better for them to get a car they want for say an extra say 20K over MSRP or is it better they can get a car of their dreams for 19% off from MSRP? For people who don't have deep pockets and are living on budget they will benefit on getting a good deal. I am not suggesting that you can't get a good deal on a Ford performance vehicle. You just might have to wait a little longer after the car is first released or you might have to do what I did and purchase a vehicle halfway across the country and have it shipped back home.
 
Let’s move on from the ADM discussion. Nothing good ever comes from it.
 

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Let’s move on from the ADM discussion. Nothing good ever comes from it.

You got it (Voodoo)Boss!

I wouldn't be surprised to see two tiers available like the 350 and 350R. Bigger wing and front spoiler, retuned suspension, etc. Maybe a...a...master of the road course? No...that doesn't sound right? Lord of the Road? Nah, that's not it either...how about...King of the Road?! Yeah! That sounds good! The GT500KR! They should hire me for marketing.
 

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