5.2L Aluminator XS

[2012-Boss]

The 5.2L Aluminator XS is now available from Ford Performance:

https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-6007-A52XS

I wonder what the solution will be for using it in an S197? I am seeing Ford Performance list more and more of their crate engines as requiring 2015 and newer engine control electronics.

 

[BigTaco]

You would need to purchase different cams (M-6550-M52A) and use gen 1 cam phasers. That would make all of the electronics work assuming you have an originally equipped coyote S197. You may have to get a different oil pan, but I'll check to be sure....

 

[BigTaco]

You should be good with the GT350 oil pan that comes on the engine but you will also need to use the M-6880-M501oil filter adapter as well. You can opt to go for a remote mounted oil filter too....

 

[ArizonaBOSS]

Ford Performance is offering different cams for the 5.2s that can be used with either Gen 1 or Gen 2 front timing solenoids etc.

That doesn't help the A52XS crate application so much, but if you are building an engine from the FPP catalog, there are options.

 

[BigTaco]

On a side note, FRPP is selling these engines as fast as they can make them.....

 

[ArizonaBOSS]

That is part of the reason that the FP350S hasn't really reached "delivery" status to customers yet.

 

[2012-Boss]

Don Woods is listing the engine at $15,900 with free shipping.

https://fordracingpartsbydonwood.co...kmqCyNM4agP9YrOn2F2VNd-R44LAe3_xoC46YQAvD_BwE

 

[2012-Boss]

Ford Performance is offering different cams for the 5.2s that can be used with either Gen 1 or Gen 2 front timing solenoids etc.

That doesn't help the A52XS crate application so much, but if you are building an engine from the FPP catalog, there are options.

I guess part of my question is why can't the aftermarket tuners adjust for the difference between the Gen 1 and Gen 2 timing solenoids?

The Ford Performance crate option is what interests me most for a replacement engine. There is a big piece of mind that comes with these engines and a 24/24,000 warranty. I would suspect that swapping cams and solenoids for S197 compatibility would void the warranty.

 

[Grant 302]

I guess part of my question is why can't the aftermarket tuners adjust for the difference between the Gen 1 and Gen 2 timing solenoids?

Even *if* possible...changing tuning strategies to handle different hardware like the phasers is way more complicated than a tuner 'adjusting' for it. I wouldn't recommend making such global changes to any tune.

 

[7500RPM_Ben]

The thing I wonder with that engine is how is there a warranty if you have to have an aftermarket tune? We void warranty if we tune our vehicles.

 

[JAJ]

I guess part of my question is why can't the aftermarket tuners adjust for the difference between the Gen 1 and Gen 2 timing solenoids?...

I don't know for sure, but having tuned a Coyote engine when they first came out, there's probably a difference in the way that the ECU controls the cams. Aftermarket tuners can tell the ECU what settings they want for the cams by changing the settings tables. They can't change the protocol the ECU uses to send those settings to the phasers. The protocols are hard-coded in the ECU.

 

[Grant 302]

^That's what I'm getting at.

Gen 2 phasers are 'mid lock'. IIRC, Gen 1 lock on the full retard side. IOW, Gen 1 only moves in one direction from the lock position and the Gen 2 phasers can go in both directions from the lock position.

This difference alone would make copying tables, etc. impossible.

 

[steveespo]

Ford knows how to do it. Current service engines are all Gen2 for S197 and S550 chassis. Don't know what they do but they are doing it.


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