Building a 2020 10 spd. Ecoboost for racing. Inputs?

[ChuckBilodeau]

I do not think the oem trans cooler is going to be enough. Flyhalf cooked his 1st trans on the oem cooler. I think for the 1st tranmssion like the 1st engine you buy in a car new. It is the best and lasts the longest. People say they can get or build you a new motor no problem. That has just not been my experience. So take care of that 1st tranny and do not oeverheat it!

You're scaring me here! I think I already overheated it, it was acting super weird, as if I had burned clutches or something. We opened it and everything looked fine, changed for raybestos HD clutches and new seals and oil. Hopefully everything is fine?!?! my auto tranny specialist said everything looked fine, no signs of overheating, is it possible he missed something, only software glitch? Anyway if I blow it i'm going sequential...

But you convinced me, I'm going to add a Derale cooler like this one to the frame, do you think it's going to be sufficient?

 

[bob]

I do not know if that will be enough? I'm a heat wennie and do not race in the summer unless forced. Flyhalf does Timetrial in the highest ambient temps around 95F! I'm not sure he has fully conquered his issues. My car with cooler bigger than Flyhalf's just has not been tested under high ambient temps like that. I want to avoid those temps for my body more than for my car! I run cool suit and coolclava or I don't race.

 

[bob]

The other thing is I'm racing V8 on stock PP1 radiator but I have the same giant oil cooler that I used for the tranny just -10AN on the oil and -8 on the tranny. I think cool is cool. You can cool the motor to a point with big oil cooler small radiator or big radiator small oil cooler or medium oil cooler medium radiator. I think I'm not having any engine temp issues because on my combo of radiator size with oil cooler size provide enough overall cooling to make the motor happy. I have no evidence to back up my statements but that's how it looks so far. We run different cars so there might be some trial and error for both of us and we could end up with different solutions that work.

 

[ChuckBilodeau]

The other thing is I'm racing V8 on stock PP1 radiator but I have the same giant oil cooler that I used for the tranny just -10AN on the oil and -8 on the tranny. I think cool is cool. You can cool the motor to a point with big oil cooler small radiator or big radiator small oil cooler or medium oil cooler medium radiator. I think I'm not having any engine temp issues because on my combo of radiator size with oil cooler size provide enough overall cooling to make the motor happy. I have no evidence to back up my statements but that's how it looks so far. We run different cars so there might be some trial and error for both of us and we could end up with different solutions that work.

I think you're right, at one point this thing becomes a huge hot mass that need to be cooled. I'm pretty confident with the HUGE (com0pared to stock) radiator, oil cooler (vs none stock), shrouds, to cool down the motor. Maybe a cooler motor will help the tranny just a little bit? WIth the engine under control, i'll try my luck for the tranny with the 4 improvements:
- Cooler motor
- Shrouds
- Oil cooler moved out of the way
- Frame rail radiant cooler
if thats not enough, i'll double the size of the cooler. Damn, it just a little turbo 350hp 4 banger, how can it generate so much heat!!?!

 

[Mad Hatter]

it just a little turbo 350hp 4 banger, how can it generate so much heat!!?!

...... the little four cylinder putting out 350hp!!! . I guess that question answers its self! A whole pile of heat!!!

 

[bob]

How do you get 350Hp out of the ecoboost? You guys just increasing boost pressure or intercooling somehow?

 

[Scootsmcgreggor]

Well depends on if we’re talking crank or wheel hp? All you need is an off the shelf tune and intercooler for 350 crank. 350 wheel can be easily had with stock turbo on E30 or methanol injection, or a bit bigger turbo on 91/93 octane.

 

[ChuckBilodeau]

So I decided to do the balance shaft delete. This thing weights a ton!! My god removing the oil pan is a pain on this car, you actually have to lift the engine, lower the subframe and loosen the transmission.

that being said, it was a good thing since I noticed that when you setup the Steeda engine mounts on the lowest setting, the oil pan actually rests on the steering rack, not cool, happy I found this out now... maybe they would need to look into this?

Not 100% confident about my gasket job, did my best cleaning it properly and installing it correctly. We’ll see !

 

[ChuckBilodeau]

Now lets cool this tranny and diff. More pics to come. The good thing about having exhaust on one side only, is that I have the perfect location to mount the heat exchanger, it should get plenty of airflow and the location is safe! Quite happy about that one. Hoses on order.

i’ll also make a custom diff cooler from random parts bought on summit racing. Should turn out pretty good.

 

[67GTA]

Check out this aluminum trans pan - sounds like they’re finally available.

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[Scootsmcgreggor]

I was also surprised about the amount of engine and subframe movement needed to do the BSD, and shared that nervousness about the gasketing. The separate steel plate at the back of the motor that makes up the rear oil pan sealing surface made me nervous, but somehow was able to get a good seal on it apparently. Hoping the same for you!

You mentioned single exit exhaust, did you build something yourself? Looking to build a <95db single exit myself.

 

[ChuckBilodeau]

Check out this aluminum trans pan - sounds like they’re finally available.

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There is only one true automatic transmission for the big trucks, Allison. They are a fairly expensive upgrade over the manual transmissions. About 20 grand upgrade for the big one capable of handling 550hp and 1550 ft lbs of torque. There are several automated manual transmissions and they are...

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Woah this is GOLD!

 

[ChuckBilodeau]

I was also surprised about the amount of engine and subframe movement needed to do the BSD, and shared that nervousness about the gasketing. The separate steel plate at the back of the motor that makes up the rear oil pan sealing surface made me nervous, but somehow was able to get a good seal on it apparently. Hoping the same for you!

You mentioned single exit exhaust, did you build something yourself? Looking to build a <95db single exit myself.

I did something custom indeed but it’s turning out too heavy, i’ll keep it for low Db tracks and i’ll probably get a Ti Tomei exhaust to shed some weight.

 

[bob]

Check out this aluminum trans pan - sounds like they’re finally available.

Why a 10-Speed Transmission Actually Makes Sense

There is only one true automatic transmission for the big trucks, Allison. They are a fairly expensive upgrade over the manual transmissions. About 20 grand upgrade for the big one capable of handling 550hp and 1550 ft lbs of torque. There are several automated manual transmissions and they are...

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I'm the one who found that pan. IMO the reason for the metal pan is because you can weld to tap an AN-8 bung to it and totally bypass the Ford trans cooling system. I think in higher HP applications where there is higher heat generation bypassing is the way to do it. I have not gone to that extreme yet because I'm racing a GT non-aero with restricted motor and I hate racing in the dead of summer. So far just a big Derale cooler is doing it for me. I do not know if there is a reliable way to tap a bung for a composite pan?

Flyhalf is still complaining about his A10 but is running lots of aero and lots of power. I told him about the metal pan and he bought it. I thought he needed more cooling but He says he has heat generation under control. I do not see what the aluminum pan is going to do for him? Maybe easier oil drain because it has a plug. Maybe more oil capacity if the pan is deeper. maybe some extra cooling because the aluminum can throw off more heat than composite.

 

[Scootsmcgreggor]

I did something custom indeed but it’s turning out too heavy, i’ll keep it for low Db tracks and i’ll probably get a Ti Tomei exhaust to shed some weight.

What resonator and muffler did you use?

 

[bob]

When you pull the balance shaft system do you have to do some things like plug up some oil ports or???

If I had to do it over again I would have raced the EB over the GT. There is so much potential in the EB. I tinnk the weight and weight balance of the EB is a huge advantage. I'm guessing with 4 less pistons there is a lot more room to work in the engine bay too.

 

[ChuckBilodeau]

The separate steel plate at the back of the motor that makes up the rear oil pan sealing surface made me nervous, but somehow was able to get a good seal on it apparently.

thats exactly the part that scared me... Hopefully i'll get the same results as you. I spent many hours cleaning everything and made sure to use enough gasket maker. We'll see!

 

[Scootsmcgreggor]

When you pull the balance shaft system do you have to do some things like plug up some oil ports or???

If I had to do it over again I would have raced the EB over the GT. There is so much potential in the EB. I tinnk the weight and weight balance of the EB is a huge advantage. I'm guessing with 4 less pistons there is a lot more room to work in the engine bay too.

Yeah one oil passage to plug, a simple piece to installing 15 mins. Only prob is you have 10hrs of work getting the oil pan off and back on too!

 

[ChuckBilodeau]

When you pull the balance shaft system do you have to do some things like plug up some oil ports or???

If I had to do it over again I would have raced the EB over the GT. There is so much potential in the EB. I tinnk the weight and weight balance of the EB is a huge advantage. I'm guessing with 4 less pistons there is a lot more room to work in the engine bay too.

Yeah Ford Performance sells a plug for the oil port. I'm hoping it's going to help with giving the rest of the engine a little bit more oil pressure as well, I did not feel like changing the oil pump so this is my excuse! not that the engine runs out of pressure but it's always good to have a little more for racing. The removal also allows for one more quart of oil which should help with temperature management.

Hey I'm no rebel nor a 4cyl fanboy, I was just trying to build a car for the series rules (300whp max, weight = whp x 11lbs). I went with the auto to skip the boost drop you experience when manually shifting a 4cyl turbo car. Also being able to shift while in corner is pretty cool, its soooo smooth.

That being said, i'll weight the car when I put everything back together, but it should be light enough, the weight distribution should also be good. The amount of room you get in the engine bay is great, so easy to work on. As for the engine itself, it's very surprising, the torque is insane and super flat. I might work on a map for other racing series with less regulations. The Full Race guys are making 450whp with a turbo kit on the stock engine, that combined with lower weight could surprise a few people. Even with the stock turbo combined to basic bolt ons and about what, 350whp?, a well prepared car with large tires will be surprising. we'll see I guess.

 

[bob]

Even with the stock turbo combined to basic bolt ons and about what, 350whp?, a well prepared car with large tires will be surprising. we'll see I guess.

That is what I'm thinking! On my GT this heavy pig is killing my rules limited 295 tires. I'm running (rules limited front bar) 600front 750 rear rates on coil over and I keep cranking up the negative camber but this heavy car is rolling over and killing front tires.