Experience with kenne bell

[Stangra]

If you are going to go SC, the DOB kit is really solid, especially with max effort intercooler, lines and pumps. I did this last year and while it hasn't gone smoothly, none of this is really the fault of the DOB kit. When you make a change like that, there's a lot of secondary systems that need to get beefed up to support it and you are adding a bunch of weight to the front of the car. You also changing the handling characteristics of the car pretty substantially due to the way the power comes on. I'm still running slightly slower lap times despite the additional power because I'm fighting for traction in places where I could go flat out before and I have to change gears more often.

SC cars for drag racing or cruising on the street can live with some of the short cuts most people take with adding a SC to these cars because they don't run full tilt for very long. Since upgrading, I've had to upgrade my alternator, radiator, add an oil cooler, replace my fuel lines, and add hood louvers. I had to rewire my fuel pump, alternator and radiator fan to higher gauges to support more amps. It's also likely that clutch and transmission are not long for this setup - they are rated for 300hp and are probably seeing closer to 450.

Jason has a good overview of the various KB kits (biased of course) but it does discuss some of the benefits and drawbacks of the kit. The big concern I'd have with the stage 2 kit is the IC and pump but both have better replacements that just bolt on.

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[Stangra]

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[Stangra]

Usually when sc is installed everybody wants max HP and torq. I don't want much HP but I want lot more lower end torq.

The ideal power for my track use is around 420 at wheels.

I need the torq when coming out of the corners and same time track is running uphill.

You should be able to get 420rwhp without the weight, complexity, and other issues that come with a supercharger.
A supercharger will definitely bring more low end torque, but probably more HP than you're looking for.

 

[blueberry]

I know it gives more, but ,but ,but.. well it might give more but I would not need it. I also won't deny it.

It's all about compromises.

 

[Boone]

If I were targeting 420whp and doing it over again, I'd drop a Coyote in the car. Done. If you want more, run 13:1 compression pistons and E85.

I did make that power with an NA 3V, but not a cost efficient way to go.

 

[EF1]

If I were targeting 420whp and doing it over again, I'd drop a Coyote in the car. Done. If you want more, run 13:1 compression pistons and E85.

I did make that power with an NA 3V, but not a cost efficient way to go.

Good point, but OP can't do a coyote swap due to laws where he lives. He is in Europe.

 

[Fabman]

Good point, but OP can't do a coyote swap due to laws where he lives. He is in Europe.

sell the 3v and buy a coyote car....simplest/best solution.

 

[blueberry]

Coyote engined ones cost here around 35-45 000€ due to the taxes when you bring the car to finland. Trying to find golden road in the middle, cause with 35 000 I pretty much can do anything

 

[Boone]

If you want to supercharge 3V and track it, which I did, go to DOB and read all their information. If their full tutorial is not still posted, I think I saved it somewhere. If you can't buy their intercooler because of some government BS, at least learn from DOB's experience that heat transfer is what this is all about. The #1 issue with the HT is being able to get enough fluid through the intercooler. The KB is one of the worst at around 11gpm, if I recall correctly. Putting a huge A/W cooler on the car won't help much since the water flow is limited. Only ethanol will give you a chance at cooling things down enough to put all the power down in road course use.

There may be some better flowing government approved systems out there, but I can't tell you what they are off the top of my head. I know that nothing sniffs the DOB intercooler. It is made for our application. What brand compressor that is used really isn't as important.

 

[Fabman]

If you want to supercharge 3V and track it, which I did, go to DOB and read all their information. If their full tutorial is not still posted, I think I saved it somewhere. If you can't buy their intercooler because of some government BS, at least learn from DOB's experience that heat transfer is what this is all about. The #1 issue with the HT is being able to get enough fluid through the intercooler. The KB is one of the worst at around 11gpm, if I recall correctly. Putting a huge A/W cooler on the car won't help much since the water flow is limited. Only ethanol will give you a chance at cooling things down enough to put all the power down in road course use.

There may be some better flowing government approved systems out there, but I can't tell you what they are off the top of my head. I know that nothing sniffs the DOB intercooler. It is made for our application. What brand compressor that is used really isn't as important.

I just read a ton of info on the DOB site last night....its a must read for anyone considering boost.

 

[Bill Pemberton]

I would consider the Roush just because they worked with Ford on their systems , but honestly for track use I would stay NA, especially since you are in Finland and part would be quite pricey to install and repair. It seems like a better move would be to remove some weight ( take out the rear seat for example ) and do simple mods like headers, etc.

How many road courses are there in Finland or where do you plan to run your Mustang?

 

[Bouncing Soul]

The Roush needs help in the heat, as delivered.

 

[blueberry]

I would consider the Roush just because they worked with Ford on their systems , but honestly for track use I would stay NA, especially since you are in Finland and part would be quite pricey to install and repair. It seems like a better move would be to remove some weight ( take out the rear seat for example ) and do simple mods like headers, etc.

How many road courses are there in Finland or where do you plan to run your Mustang?

8 tracks that I drive here, plans are going next summer Gotland ring sweden, Porsche ring Estonia and Nurburgring germany

 

[Bill Pemberton]

Fantastic trips and please post pictures or videos of the tracks you run. I will admit that I am surprised there are 8 tracks to drive in Finland, but since it is the " Land of Mika and Kimi, " I should not be surprised, ha! Kimi is my son's favorite driver and he has been for well over a decade. I hope he ventures back into some other forms of racing like he has done with Nascar, and Rallying, and a run at LeMans would be fantastic.

 

[Bill Pemberton]

Working at Woodhouse Ford and Woodhouse C,D,J,R for 27 years and since we had a Motorsports Division that installed over 200 Superchargers on Vipers , were a Roush Dealer for awhile, worked with ProCharger, Roush, Paxton, and more I can say Kenne Bell was the most problematic. For those folks doing road course events I will stand behind my statement that NA is preferred and so often there are other upgrades to increase track times that are alot more reliable ( losing weight, brakes , suspension , tires, etc ). bnight has been a great source of info for Trackrats in Europe and the lack of parts or cost to acquire makes things different to assess in my opinion, so I would suggest reliability for blueberry is a situation we should advise on. Just my opinion yet this Forum has been very helpful to folks around the World and we in the US have often been surprised at what items or help were not readily available elsewhere.

 

[Boone]

The formula for a great lap time is very tried and true. When there are minor differences in setups determining the differences between similar vehicles, the driver is like a surgeon wielding a scalpel. Those guys are on here... and they are correct. I took the supercharger and sledgehammer approach, and I had as much or more fun than anybody else on the forum. The formula for FUN is anything YOU want. My hope is... make sure you know what you're getting into before you head down a path. You've noted you don't have unlimited funds (another way to the pointy end of the lap time list) so plan your build meticulously. The information and resources are on here if you take the time to educate yourself.