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Who was competitive before Merc? MERC/AMG definitely didn't field the fastest car in the V8 era. Same driver(s) though, in Rosberg and Hamilton. Was there this much angst when Schumacher was racking up the wins and championships with Ferrari? When Vettel was dominant with Red Bull? So now you have a TEAM that's managing to stay one step ahead of the others (for this long), while still losing engineers to other teams, and they still manage to field cars with a balanced- chassis, PU, aero, and driver.

.... and for that people it's best for the sport to 'level the playing field.'???

Ferrari was close several times, in the V6TH era. They had a well sorted car. Team members crashing into each other, tire failures, engine failures, oiling scandal.. all of that stuff culminated in good old Maurizio Arrivabene losing his job as Team Principal. Ferrari hasn't been the same since.

Toto runs a much tighter ship. Like, I would love to work for a guy like that. He is the epitome of "Hate to lose, more than you love to win" and its apparent in the trophy case.

Prior to even the V6TH era, F1 viewership was on a decline. That's not due to a dominant team and people not enjoying watching Red Bull win. In my opinion, the sport isn't what it was, 15-20 years ago. What's changed, you ask? Safety. The chance of a spectacular crash and possible death doesn't really exist, like it did in the 90's and earlier. That part of the spectacle is near gone. It's in our nature. We want to see a train wreck. A broke car on the side of the road doesn't slow traffic as much as two cars that collided. That's just the truth. The masses want to see carnage. Then there are those that actually want to watch racing.

The FIA has been scrambling, since then, on manufacturing better racing. DRS, stickier tires, wider tires, more aero, revised qualifying, and at it's onset, a perceived 'slower car' with a V6 turbo hybrid. Well, jokes on them. Merc figured out the V6TH PU right out of the gate and began destroying everyone. Not just the power of the V6TH, but also the reliability. Then they began creating better aero and now an even better chassis. I mean, they were matching Red Bull's lap times on hard tires, in basically Limp Mode and driving the slow line.

If I was an owner of one of the losing teams on the paddock, and I was standing there watching my car get dominated by a car in Limp Mode, I would fire my staff and quit F1. I obviously am not ready to run with the big boys.
I think we found something you're a little passionate about here :) Glad you could take a break from designing and test fitting parts to talk racing!

Not that I disagree too much with what you stated, but I will admit I was getting bored when RB was dominating, as well as with Schumi destroying everyone. I realize that even though I like watching Hamilton, those who aren't a fan of him are growing VERY tired of seeing him favored every single race.

I think it's a huge achievement what Merc has been able to do. This type of dominance is what turned Ferrari into a legendary F1 team. I wonder how Mercedes will be viewed in the future? Will they have a similar following as Ferrari or McLaren? They'll need to stay in F1 if that's going to happen. Wonder if that's what they're after long term, or if they just want to rack up a bunch of wins and go for a mic drop.
 

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I don't have a dog in the F-1 racing rules fight. I just enjoy watching the racing on ESPN with the different tracks. I can't afford to go to a race as a spectator (my cars bleed my extra funds).

F-1 has a huge global following. They sold out in every event until the lockdown.

My favorite F-1 racer was Michael Schumacher. He won 7 World Championships. His Ferrari team was good, and he was the better driver.

I'd say Hammer is an equally world class racer with his 6 World Championships. I suspect he may get 8 since I don't see any rust with his driving.

Due to the global recession, I wonder how many F-1 teams can continue racing?
 

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I dislike racing where 1 team dominates year after year. Or even just for more than 1 year. I think any spending/development/technology caps are impossible to enforce with a global player the size of M-B. I also dislike egohead drivers with a god complex and that wipes out about half or more of the current lot in F1. It is just terrible for any sport when 1 team dominates. Probably F1 doesn't notice my absence though....

Watching sprint cars on dirt right now, hard to beat that for exciting racing.....
 

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Daniel Ricciardo's preparations for the Styrian Grand Prix ended abruptly on Friday afternoon when his Renault speared off the track at Turn 9 and slammed into the barriers early in the second free practice session at the Red Bull Ring.

He lost the rear of the car as it came around & he went off hitting a tire wall.
 

1995CobraR

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I dislike racing where 1 team dominates year after year. Or even just for more than 1 year. I think any spending/development/technology caps are impossible to enforce with a global player the size of M-B...It is just terrible for any sport when 1 team dominates. Probably F1 doesn't notice my absence though....
Please explain your tragedy for making the racing rules favorable for fair competition?

I also dislike egohead drivers with a god complex and that wipes out about half or more of the current lot in F1.
I think the more successful drivers get more media exposure since they are the winners. No one remembers the losers (Haas F-1 Racing).

I've heard on the internet that Mclaren is running short on funds. The ~Renault F-1 Team is still in while the French Renault Company is struggling to sell cars.
 

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This is the last year for McLaren to use Renault engines as the inked a new deal with Mercedes to supply engines beginning in 2021 thru 2024.

Don’t know their current cash flow.status.
 

1995CobraR

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This is the last year for McLaren to use Renault engines as they inked a new deal with Mercedes to supply engines beginning in 2021 thru 2024.

Don’t know their current cash flow.status.
You would think that the British McLaren Automotive would use their engines?

They swapped from French engines to German engines.

The Haas F-1 Team has always had Ferrari engines. They keep upgrading the chassis and do worse. It's the Haas VF-16, VF-17, VF-18, VF-19, and this year's Haas VF-20.

They need to hire better engineers, or they will still be racing for tenth place in the Championship.
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It's clear to me that Mercedes has the best key engineer in Toto Wolff. The guy founded two internet technology companies before he joined with Mercedes F-1.
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Toto engineered a car that Hammer won (and mostly) dominated F-1 races.
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Some folks want to change the rules so the weaker players can do better.

They must be socialist democrats? We should give everyone a trophy for attending a race?
 

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FORMULA 1 PIRELLI GROSSER PREIS DER STEIERMARK 2020
Qualifying results
POSITIONTIME
1 Lewis HAMILTON Mercedes1:19.273
2 Max VERSTAPPEN Red Bull Racing1:20.489
3 Carlos SAINZ McLaren1:20.671
4 Valtteri BOTTAS Mercedes1:20.701
5 Esteban OCON Renault1:20.92
 

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FORMULA 1 PIRELLI GROSSER PREIS DER STEIERMARK 2020
Qualifying results
POSITIONTIME
1 Lewis HAMILTON Mercedes1:19.273
2 Max VERSTAPPEN Red Bull Racing1:20.489
3 Carlos SAINZ McLaren1:20.671
4 Valtteri BOTTAS Mercedes1:20.701
5 Esteban OCON Renault1:20.92
The guy grew up racing in the rain. He's basically Aquaman with a racing helmet on.
 

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