It’s not missing from discussions. That’s the issue with college kids and teens. They think they’re equipped to decide. And that’s a disturbing fact.Choice and self determination. Two things missing from most covid discussions. Likely, the most disturbing facts of this last year.
That sure seems like a long time to wait. Risk management is likely the delay. All models previously used dealt with reducing risk of introducing a product. Has the risk analysis been done for NOT releasing a product? Anyone seen anything on this perspective?EDIT: The trial primary completion date is June 2021 and the final completion is December 2022. It's a long ways from done.
They expect "emergency use" authorization to start delivering vaccine later this year, so the risk equation is exactly as you characterize it. It's being released on the basis that not releasing is worse than whatever might happen if the data is incomplete until June next year.That sure seems like a long time to wait. Risk management is likely the delay. All models previously used dealt with reducing risk of introducing a product. Has the risk analysis been done for NOT releasing a product? Anyone seen anything on this perspective?
And young people don’t read shiznit that doesn’t come from their phone.CDC in June said:Among persons aged 18–34 years with no chronic medical conditions, one in five had not returned to their usual state of health.
Ditto that a hundred times over!!!.....I cringe when I remember what I did when I was that age.............."invincible" was just the beginning...........................................People in their teens and twenties make bad and immature decisions. I speak from lots and lots of experience there.
These stats don’t look so rosy either.NBC said:New findings published this month further reveal how severely Covid-19 can affect young adults. A research paper published in JAMA Internal Medicine found that among more than 3,200 adults ages 18 to 34 who were hospitalized with the disease, 21 percent required intensive care, 10 percent required mechanical ventilation and nearly 3 percent — 88 patients — died. Of those who survived, 3 percent — 99 patients — had to be discharged to another health care facility to continue their recoveries.
Every time the media uses the term "recovered" I cringe. All it means is that the patient hasn't got the virus any more, it doesn't mean they're healthy.These stats don’t look so rosy either.
You've hit on an important point. When the virus first emerged, back in January and February, it was characterized as an upper respiratory virus that could occasionally lead to severe symptoms and death. Research was tightly focused on the sickest cases, generally older adults, with a goal to keep people alive. Makes sense. Very little research looked at people who had mild symptoms, and it came as a huge surprise when asymptomatic cases were found to be a real thing. Even today, research into mild and asymptomatic cases is very thin on the ground, and research into children and juveniles is even thinner on the ground. As I said in an earlier post, beware of the words "there's no evidence that..." because, too often, those words mean "there's no research, so we're guessing"....Read carefully for what is there and what is not there. I could not find data and 19-25 year olds typical,age for college students. There is data for19-34. Conspiracy? Don’t think so. Just incomplete data. If you are 19-24 are you more likely to meet your end from covid than a motor vehicle accident? We don’t know for sure, age 15-34 it looks like the motor vehicle...
We don’t know what we don’t know. And people who think they have the clear and obvious solution don’t either.Every time the media uses the term "recovered" I cringe. All it means is that the patient hasn't got the virus any more, it doesn't mean they're healthy.
Because the virus is so new, we really don't know what the long-term effects will be. That it'll be considered a "pre-existing condition" is likely, but whether the incidence of other long-term health conditions goes up, it's just too early.