Head and Neck Restraints for Track Days

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  1. VoodooBoss

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    HOD, PCA and others are going to require a HNR for all 4-7 point harnesses unless you're using the Schroth ASM. This goes into effect on January 1, 2019. I suspect a Hybrid device will be required within the next couple of years for use with a factory 3 point harness. We were required to wear a Simpson Hybrid HNR at the GT350 Track Tour three years ago.

    We've been discussing HNR's in the thread below.

    https://trackmustangsonline.com/threads/hans-device-vs-simpson-hybrid.14268/

    Thoughts on this?

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    Just Purchased a HANS Sport III from Winding Road with a NASA discount. Looking forward to trying it out next track season. Makes the wife feel better too!
     
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    Fully support this idea and really pleased Tyme got one as he needs something to hold his Bobblehead while on track!!!
     
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    TymeSlayer Tramps like us, Baby we were born to run...

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    That's a good way to describe me in my oversized helmet. New one fits like a glove.
     
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    A Bobblehead belongs on the dash, not the driver's seat.How did my name get entangled with this to begin with???.....No comments from the peanut gallery!!!
     
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    Ah, you understood my Bobblehead reference Slayer!

    Bob Le Head, French for head of Le Bob, is le difference from Bobblehead Tyme!?
     
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    Thanks for the traumatic flashback to 8th grade French... ;-)
     
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    Bill, your French is a wee bit lacking.....about on par with your German.Tyme will understand the Bobblehead belongs on the dash in any language.....especially Colorodian.............:rolleyes:
     
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    My foreign language was Spanish...all I remember is "Si y Como esta estud"....and another one...I'm sure am not coming to even close to spelling this right. Maybe somebody here could help me out.."Selvasa frio in la the navira" (cold beer in the fridge):eek:
     
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    Lol. All I remember is "what time is it" and most importantly, "I do not speak French."

    But that was the time Patti LaBelle had a few hit songs. And stupid me inoccently asks my 60-yr old French teacher:
    What does "Voulez vous coucher avec moi ce soir" mean...

    I'll never forget the look on her face.
     
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    Per Google Translate:
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    Back on track. Any thoughts on this requirement?
     
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    I don't have a roll bar but I presume that a 5 or 6 point harness requires a roll bar or cage to anchor the harness. If such cars also have the air bags disabled then this makes sense.

    However for those that may install a bar or cage with a 6point harness and still retain their stock steering wheel and airbags it seems they are being penalized compared to those with just a stock 3-point harness.

    Yes, those that have made such mods, along with the usual attending power adders, may drive faster than if the car where stock. But what about all the Z06s, ZR1s, Hellcats, McLarens, etc that just come with 3-point harnesses?

    They should simplify and require it only when the stock airbags have been totally or partially disabled.
     
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    Why disable the airbags? Why would the airbag be a negative with harnesses and a bar?
    Seems to me that it’s an added piece of protection.
    I could see where the bar, harnesses and HANS would do the same job, but. Why remove the added assist in a wreck.
     
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    I wasn't advocating removal of an airbag but some cars have their steering wheel replaced with a quick detachable steering wheel. Requiring a H&N restraint, if it serves to offset the lack of an airbag, would make sense.

    My main point is if hi-perf cars with 3-point seat belts do not require use of a H&N restraint, then why "penalize" someone who has not disabled any OEM safety features but has taken the extra safety precaution to add a roll bar & 6-point harness?

    I can't imagine a driver is safer without a roll bar, harness, or H&N restraint compared to a driver that has everything BUT a H&N restraint.
     
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    A concern with this approach is who determines or checks on the airbag equipment? From a liability perspective that's a can of worms. You either need to require them with harnesses or not.

    I'm pretty sure that some groups and tracks will be renting the HNR's just like they do helmets.
     
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    While a removable steering wheel or afternarket seats should be a clear cut indicator, add it as another checklist item on the Tech Inspection Sheet that the driver must sign off on.
     
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    If HOD's main concern is driver safety then they should mandate use of the Hybrid S for those with 3-point seat belts.

    Of course, they won't do that because they'll lose 85% of their business.
     
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    Actually that's next. ;)
     

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