Couldn't have said it better myself.... however Ford has turned their R&D focus to EV. The trucks and SUV's are the bread winners and the Mustang is just a side show at this stage. I don't think they even look at it as a traffic generator for showrooms like it used to be.I ordered a bunch of strippo Mustang GTs with nothing else but PP1 and they did come in under 40K MSRP in the US. With some incentives later they ended up being sold in the lower 30s and like JDee, many of these machines ended up in track minded enthusiasts ( both for autocrossers and track maniacs ). I am saddened to see the PP2 option being discontinued as I was able to get our Omaha Store ( Woodhouse Ford ) to order quite a few this year and they went pretty quickly. No stripes , no upgraded radios, no options except what Ford required to order and they were mostly listing around 45K ( few were higher as we did do a few with stripes). Like JDee's situation, folks looking for this kind of serious Mustang could not find one hardly anywhere, so they did not last long in most cases.
I think it is a mistake on Ford's part to discontinue , especially since the tooling for the Mach 1 is taken largely from the Bullitt and the GT 350, so why not take advantage? Sadly they want to make the Mach 1 more special in the view of the folks in " Marketing " but they are missing the point in keeping the brand vibrant. Hate to say this but the perfect example is the Dodge Challenger which is starting to be like the VW Beetle -- been around since the beginning of time. The Key is many of those buyers want a " Hellcat " but they can't afford it at this time in their life, so they end up getting a TA , or Shaker, or RT, or Widebody, or....................... You get the idea, and Ford should be viewing that some folks want that performance model , but the Mach 1 or the GT 500 are out of their price range. The PP2 fit the bill for many , got them close to their aspirations and now there really is not a factory upgraded choice ( imho ). The parts are there , the advantage should be apparent, but my feeling is some behind desks are missing the opportunity those in the trenches can easily see!
I have a different opinion. I just did this and bought a new 2019gt off the dealer lot in October 19' to turn into a racecar for the most stock class possible called SCCA T2. I have raced T1 and T2 for about 10 years and raced the last 5 Runoffs. These cars have huge incestuous electronics. That means don't buy a straight salvage car that has been flooded for example unless you gut out to the bare chassis and go aftermarket wiring harness. Only a few classes allow that and you can't run aftermarket ECU's on the street because of smog. If the car is a bent salvage car then you have to assume the rebuilder knows what he is doing. No thanks!In regards the OP, I would start with a higher mileage used 2018-2020, or a very straight salvage car. If you indeed want to build a dedicated track car, most of what you start with will be discarded in the end, IMO. Pay as little as possible.
The only mechanical changes to the 18+ is 25 more horsepower, different ratios in the trans (4th is 1:1 rather than 5th), bigger oil pan (10qts rather than 8), one of the front control arms is a bearing rather than a bushing, you get a diff temp sensor, and I think that's it.also would a pp 15-17 worth looking into? or is 2018+ worth the extra 10grand
The torsen absolutely is way better on track than the standard diff. There's plenty of threads on here that detail how it works and why it's better. The word torsen is short for "torque sensing", and that's the key to why it's better.I think ill be going the base model route or the pp1. Or i can save my ass off another year or so and get a used gt350. But would it even be worth it saving to buy out a used gt350 instead of getting a pp1 or base with mods?? also is the torsen that much better for track then whatever the base comes with. Id only be getting the pp1 for the torsen as I dont really wanna do a Diff swap job lmao
Surprisingly well... it’s the 1LE Camaro’s you have to worry about. Maybe it’s the Cortex setup that I need to close that gap!Also how would a s197 5.0 with a corteX suspension kit and bolt ons/tune compete with a pp1 s550?