I HATE the " no cap" fuel fill neck- any help?

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  1. Drlee50

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    How can it be by passed or replaced?
    If I try to fill the tank using a fuel can, none of the fuel cans tips that go into the cars fill neck are the right size. It doesn't hit both tabs and as a result, the fuel spills all over. I've tried using 2 flat heads and pressing the tabs in and the super carefully try to get the cans tip inside without the damn thing kicking back and locking me out. Its successful maybe 20% of the time. Ive tried cutting down a couple funnels to the right size but the taper of the funnel then limits how far the funnel will go in. Maybe 1/4 inch. Which has disaster written all over it. Terrible design for anything other than at the pump use only. These are track cars arent they?

    What is your secret weapon to fill the damn tank at the track?

    Thanks!

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    There is a little white funnel that should come with the car and usually comes in the trunk, with the fix a flat stuff.
     
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    Looks like this:

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    I yanked that air pump assembly. I'll have to dig it out and see if it's still there. Thanks for the info!! It better be there!!

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    Borrow, beg or ..... There should be one in almost any late model Ford. Good luck!
     
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    captdistraction I am the breaker of things

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    I’ll look it up but there’s a few plumbing fittings that you can use that fits perfect and opens the tab lock.

    I am using some metal ones now as they have a larger ID and flow better than the plastic ones I had do.

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    I’ve never had an issue with the VP Racing cap hoses with the grey plastic pipe. On either my S197 or S550 cars. Odd but the white Ford funnel will work. To replace the assembly you pull out the plastic surround around the fill neck. It has clips, that will break so order a new one along with the fill neck which is held in with hex screws at the top and clamp at the tank. There are body clips and a vent hose that runs with it so a trim tool is needed. Tank has to be lowered so don’t forget to disconnect the pump plugs under rear seat so you don’t rip the wires. If the funnel or larger pipe works, don’t mess with it.


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    Check online for the white Ford Filler tube if not available at a Dealership, as the unit is the same for Ford and FCA products. Ford charges less than Dodge for the same thing, and there are super cheap aftermarket ones at Walmart. Hook up to a bigger funnel and it will work fine.
     
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    I believe the Ford part number is 8U5Z-17B068-B and it works on a variety of Ford vehicles. I find using it is a slow way to add fuel at the track and saw Bill's set-up with an addition, larger funnel attached to this one and it works well. Perhaps if he can find his in his trailer, he can share a pic.
     
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    I would take a picture but my son has my trailer this weekend for the Midwest Spring National Autocross event in Lincoln, Nebraska, so we will have to do a visual........think big ass funnel with little white white filler tube attached at the bottom! Okay, got that , and yep, it works gooder!
     
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    Was there duct tape involved? I don't recall.
     
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    Nope , you just have to get a gullible guy from Colorado to hold the funnel so if any fuel spills it goes on his shoes and not yours.
     
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    I use a can like this and the white OEM funnel. I refuel without spilling a drop. It's not rocket science.

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    I've seen the replacement white funnel at auto parts stores too, if yours is missing.
     
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    I wouldn't use those to transport fuel inside a vehicle. It's not safe. Or legal. Just sayin'...
     
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    I agree. This version in the link above does not have a way to shut off the fuel flow. That's what the ball valve is for. Mine has the shut off, ball valve that threads into the cap, the hose threads into the ball valve. I have one cap with the hose and ball valve. I swap between bottles when filling. The extra hoses are in a drawer in the trailer. I looked for the version I have, can't find a pic. A spare cap set up with a hose would work the same. Just switch caps.
     
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    I mean the jugs aren't safe or legal for transport.

    For example:
    "Notes: This item is not a portable fuel container as described by ASTM, EPA, ARB (CARB) or other state or federal agencies."
    https://www.summitracing.com/parts/vpr-3522/overview/

    There are reasons why they are called 'utility jugs' and don't use the word 'fuel' in the descriptions. They are fire/explosion/vapor hazards. I don't remember all my OSHA training on the matter, but I wouldn't use them outside of the paddock.
     
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    I've been using NATO approved five gallon Jerry Cans and store them in the bed of the truck. I figure if they can take a beating in a bouncing jeep, it ought to be fine for me. Never been a fan of anything plastic because they expand and contract wildly.
     
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    I use an 11 gallon jug (heavy) with a flexible end. It's too short to fit in the neck. So I need a funnel....or a longer neck on my flex hose. The metal ones listed above may work well. On my list to try. Wrestling 80 lbs of fuel around in a quick fill jug, you dont want some sloppy setup.

    I did find the factory funnel! But damn it's small. Gonna see how it works and go from there.

    Changing out the neck does sound like a lot of work but that doesn't bother me. The fact that the fuel door doesn't lock when the doors lock doesnt impress me either. I have an open trailer.

    I appreciate all the help!
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    My jugs look like this- [​IMG][​IMG]

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