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One track season done with the Dark Horse

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Canada
Hi all!
Long-time reader, first-time poster here. I wanted to share my experience with one season of track use (14 Intermediate/Advanced events) with my Dark Horse Handling Package in case anyone might find it helpful. Before this, I drove a base S550 GT, which I modified for autocross and beginner/intermediate lapping.

Mods so far:
  • UPR passenger side catch can
  • GLoc R12/R10 brake pads
  • Motul 600 brake fluid (planning to upgrade this for 2025).
Tires/Alignment

I started with Falken RT660 tires, then went to the OEM Pirelli Trofeo RS tires, then back to RT660 after the Trofeos corded. The RT660 felt like a big downgrade after the Trofeos.

For the alignment, I followed what is recommended in the track owner’s manual but maxed out front negative camber (about -2.7). This was not enough and I had uneven tire wear.

First impressions of the car:

It is a phenomenal car and really a track weapon- far more capable than I am at this point! My lap times at my local track were massively quicker than my GT, quicker than a Mach 1 with a comparably experienced driver, and on par with a modified GT350.

Now onto the issues…

I have the 10R80. I initially had no problems during my first two events but I was not very comfortable in the car and not pushing it. On the third event, I had a transmission overheat light come on and the car went into limp mode on lap 5ish of Vancouver Island Motorsport Circuit (for those who aren’t familiar, it is 19 corners with a lot of shifting).

At the beginning of June, I had the transmission temp warning light come on during lap 4 at VIMC. I attempted to do a cooldown lap but the temp kept climbing to about 266F. Fluid was vented out of the trans case and caused quite a smoke show out the back of my car (my friend behind me thought I was on fire).

I took the car to the dealer where I had purchased it from and they didn’t know what to do and couldn’t diagnose anything. As a fluke, they did find a bent bracket at the front of the trans case that had been damaged from the factory. This bracket assembly (PR3Z7R081G if anyone is curious) included the thermal bypass valve. The thermal bypass valve used to be located in the valve body and I believe they changed it from this design in 2022 or 2023.

I had a case opened with Ford Canada and they told me that tracking the car was “abuse and misuse” of the vehicle. I was also told by the dealer that “mustang’s aren’t track cars” and “the marketing is just a gimmick”. The lack of support that I received from Ford was really surprising.

Of note, I had heard from a few others that they didn’t have the same issue with their 10R80 Mach 1. I looked into it further and this Mach 1 has a secondary transmission cooler located in the bottom passenger-side grille. Interestingly, with the Dark Horse, they removed this and closed off the grille so that they could fit the PCM there instead as it couldn’t fit in the engine bay anymore due to the dual throttle bodies.

What’s next?

After the thermal bypass valve was replaced, I was able to do a couple of hot laps followed by a cooldown and stay out for the whole session.

Since this car is not fully a dedicated track car, I am planning to start conservatively with the cooling mods and I’ve purchased a PPE transmission pan as well as a Mishimoto trans cooler to replace the OEM parts. The Mishimoto is for the S550 but can fit and does provide a larger cooling capacity.

Planning to do around the same number of events this year across tracks in BC, Washington, and possibly further South as well.

Hope someone finds this interesting and/or helpful!
 
No surprise in what you posted, especially what the dealer said. They tend to not like people to use their cars hard, at least until the warranty is up. Then they want you to trash it.

The only thing you can do is try to find someplace to put more cooling on that transmission. Check in the driveshaft tunnel, there might be room in there for another cooler. There's a guy on here who races an A10 and his lives, so it can be done. Search for posts by @flyhalf
 
Welcome!! One day I would like to try out that track. Left BC before it was built. For the 10R80... check up all the right ups from @flyhalf . I think his the most successful in trying to tame the FAMOUS 10R80 foibles. If I remember right, he went through three trannies to get his secret sauce... From what I see down here, any mustang with the 10R80 that is driven in anger overheats by the third lap if pushed hard. That goes for Mach1's as well. Lots of reviews complain about it, and it applies to the Dark pony as well.
 
No surprise in what you posted, especially what the dealer said. They tend to not like people to use their cars hard, at least until the warranty is up. Then they want you to trash it.

The only thing you can do is try to find someplace to put more cooling on that transmission. Check in the driveshaft tunnel, there might be room in there for another cooler. There's a guy on here who races an A10 and his lives, so it can be done. Search for posts by @flyhalf
They completely changed (and f****d the situation)the thermostat and cooling of the dark horse 10r80. They added a boiler to warm up the oil. And this before the cooler and after the cooler so no matter what we do if you dint by pass it it will
Keep overheating WAY MORE THAN S550.
 
They completely changed (and f****d the situation)the thermostat and cooling of the dark horse 10r80. They added a boiler to warm up the oil. And this before the cooler and after the cooler so no matter what we do if you dint by pass it it will
Keep overheating WAY MORE THAN S550.
It must be a ploy to keep the manual gearbox!! just kidding, this is not happening often with the ZL1-1le (stupid name..) running the chevy version of the same tranny. So Ford keeps making a dud automatic..... Not logical.
 
Hi all!
Long-time reader, first-time poster here. I wanted to share my experience with one season of track use (14 Intermediate/Advanced events) with my Dark Horse Handling Package in case anyone might find it helpful. Before this, I drove a base S550 GT, which I modified for autocross and beginner/intermediate lapping.

Mods so far:
  • UPR passenger side catch can
  • GLoc R12/R10 brake pads
  • Motul 600 brake fluid (planning to upgrade this for 2025).
Tires/Alignment

I started with Falken RT660 tires, then went to the OEM Pirelli Trofeo RS tires, then back to RT660 after the Trofeos corded. The RT660 felt like a big downgrade after the Trofeos.

For the alignment, I followed what is recommended in the track owner’s manual but maxed out front negative camber (about -2.7). This was not enough and I had uneven tire wear.

First impressions of the car:

It is a phenomenal car and really a track weapon- far more capable than I am at this point! My lap times at my local track were massively quicker than my GT, quicker than a Mach 1 with a comparably experienced driver, and on par with a modified GT350.

Now onto the issues…

I have the 10R80. I initially had no problems during my first two events but I was not very comfortable in the car and not pushing it. On the third event, I had a transmission overheat light come on and the car went into limp mode on lap 5ish of Vancouver Island Motorsport Circuit (for those who aren’t familiar, it is 19 corners with a lot of shifting).

At the beginning of June, I had the transmission temp warning light come on during lap 4 at VIMC. I attempted to do a cooldown lap but the temp kept climbing to about 266F. Fluid was vented out of the trans case and caused quite a smoke show out the back of my car (my friend behind me thought I was on fire).

I took the car to the dealer where I had purchased it from and they didn’t know what to do and couldn’t diagnose anything. As a fluke, they did find a bent bracket at the front of the trans case that had been damaged from the factory. This bracket assembly (PR3Z7R081G if anyone is curious) included the thermal bypass valve. The thermal bypass valve used to be located in the valve body and I believe they changed it from this design in 2022 or 2023.

I had a case opened with Ford Canada and they told me that tracking the car was “abuse and misuse” of the vehicle. I was also told by the dealer that “mustang’s aren’t track cars” and “the marketing is just a gimmick”. The lack of support that I received from Ford was really surprising.

Of note, I had heard from a few others that they didn’t have the same issue with their 10R80 Mach 1. I looked into it further and this Mach 1 has a secondary transmission cooler located in the bottom passenger-side grille. Interestingly, with the Dark Horse, they removed this and closed off the grille so that they could fit the PCM there instead as it couldn’t fit in the engine bay anymore due to the dual throttle bodies.

What’s next?

After the thermal bypass valve was replaced, I was able to do a couple of hot laps followed by a cooldown and stay out for the whole session.

Since this car is not fully a dedicated track car, I am planning to start conservatively with the cooling mods and I’ve purchased a PPE transmission pan as well as a Mishimoto trans cooler to replace the OEM parts. The Mishimoto is for the S550 but can fit and does provide a larger cooling capacity.

Planning to do around the same number of events this year across tracks in BC, Washington, and possibly further South as well.

Hope someone finds this interesting and/or helpful!
Canajun eh?

Welcome to the crowd - it's a great group and you'll get lots of helpful support and information.

A question - where do you run the most? I'm just curious because you mention VIMC. I live on the mainland but I used to work in Victoria and I was really interested in VIMC when it opened in 2016 but it's got 19 corners in 1.4 miles. I have two decades running at Mission with 9 corners in 1.3 miles and the thought of 10 more corners in 500 more feet just didn't make sense to me. It looks like an autocross course in a hilly parking lot.

On the alignment/tire wear issue, think about tracking down someone with a tire pyrometer and check your tread temps across the face of the tire. If they're even then the alignment's right even if the wear is uneven. Some performance tires use different compounds on the inside vs the outside of the tread. The softer compound can wear faster just because it's softer, not because your alignment's off. On my GT350, if I run GT350R MPSC2's, they'll wear faster on the outside edge. When I run Pirelli Trofeo R's (not RS's) they wear quite evenly at the same camber settings.

As for the push-back from the dealer, it might be worth tracking down a dealer authorized to sell Ford Performance vehicles. They might have a bit more empathy for your track use.
 
They completely changed (and f****d the situation)the thermostat and cooling of the dark horse 10r80. They added a boiler to warm up the oil. And this before the cooler and after the cooler so no matter what we do if you dint by pass it it will
Keep overheating WAY MORE THAN S550.
Sorry I am still learning a lot about the cooling system. By boiler do you mean the oil to water heat exchanger? Thank you!
 
Sorry I am still learning a lot about the cooling system. By boiler do you mean the oil to water heat exchanger? Thank you!
Yes. Before the cooler the hoses pass on a oil to water heat exchanger.
This bring the temps to 220 /230 especially when u are in track.
And 230 is already too late for the 10speed.
 
Canajun eh?

Welcome to the crowd - it's a great group and you'll get lots of helpful support and information.

A question - where do you run the most? I'm just curious because you mention VIMC. I live on the mainland but I used to work in Victoria and I was really interested in VIMC when it opened in 2016 but it's got 19 corners in 1.4 miles. I have two decades running at Mission with 9 corners in 1.3 miles and the thought of 10 more corners in 500 more feet just didn't make sense to me. It looks like an autocross course in a hilly parking lot.

On the alignment/tire wear issue, think about tracking down someone with a tire pyrometer and check your tread temps across the face of the tire. If they're even then the alignment's right even if the wear is uneven. Some performance tires use different compounds on the inside vs the outside of the tread. The softer compound can wear faster just because it's softer, not because your alignment's off. On my GT350, if I run GT350R MPSC2's, they'll wear faster on the outside edge. When I run Pirelli Trofeo R's (not RS's) they wear quite evenly at the same camber settings.

As for the push-back from the dealer, it might be worth tracking down a dealer authorized to sell Ford Performance vehicles. They might have a bit more empathy for your track use.
Thank you! I actually went to Mission the most last year with Speed-Fanatics. Maybe see you there next season. I've been to the Ridge as well which was awesome and planning to do a double header at Area 27. VIMC is a great track with the elevation changes but there is a lot of braking!

Very good to know about the tread temps- I will have to try that this season. Same with finding a new dealer!
 

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