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PaddyPrix

If breakin' parts is cool, consider me Miles Davis
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Pulled the motor out, and looks like I was fortunate to escape with just some minor cuts and scratches. Other than the harness, the engine looks alright.

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Transmission looks alright too, just burned those little nipple things along the top, which I'm going to assume are some sort of pressure vents?

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Downside is that the harness that goes to the transmission is part of the greater harness loops, and not one of the simpler ones that plug into the PCM, so that kinda sucks. Not sure if I'm going to just order that harness to then cut/splice the busted parts in to save all the wiring mess, or thinking even bigger, rip all that shiznit out and do something like an AEM Infinity since I have all these wires of which I use so few of them... no windows, no airbags, no radio, no pretty much everything. I'm probably going to lose out on ABS which to be honest wasn't really working in the first place with the busted sensors, so why not? Issue looks to be that the Gen3 isn't fully yet understood, so I'd have to somewhat downgrade to some Gen2 mix to use something like that... which stinks. Dunno, will make some calls tomorrow and see what that comes up with.
 

PaddyPrix

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I just spent the last 2 hours reading this thread lol

Good stuff. Glad you ok from the fire...we at least you are.
Thanks a bunch. Perhaps one of these days I'll produce some sort of abridged Reader's Digest version, but until then, enjoy the verbosity, I guess. Yeah, I'm fine, not even shook, more angry and disappointed in myself more than anything. It was something preventable, and even though I had double checked everything, even right before going out, I keep thinking there's something more that I could have done. Regardless, that moment has passed, and I've got the opportunity to really think about what my next steps are, and plan accordingly as Rome wasn't built overnight... but it sure seems like it was destroyed in one :D
 

PaddyPrix

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So I pulled the engine about a month ago, and been waiting on the engine harness to come in this whole time. Equal parts angry and disappointed, but the adult in me took that opportunity to take out a bunch of put options against them, and watching their stock drop 1.5 points means cashing those options in just got me a free set of Hoosiers... which I would almost happily trade for the g-d engine harness.

Ended up getting a new intake, thinking further ahead in the future, even bigger plans after the next season, so, might as well go with the Cobra Jet, which, is yuuuuuge. Top to top, it's a couple inches taller than the 18+ Intake, and those long runners are well, downright sexy.

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also just look how much bigger it is after the throttle body, the CJ it just tapers out immediately from what was already huge.

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Until I get the engine harness, it's just kinda going to sit, all dressed up, and nowhere to go.

So, trying to stay busy, decided to take on the cage which I stupidly left untreated from I believe last March. Not that it rains too much out in San Diego, but moisture here, fog there, all those add up and start pulling a lil' orange glow to the cage that I wasn't much digging on, so, I put my man skills to use and stroked the hell out of all this big ass pipe.

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My crappy phone makes everything look fuzzy, but it's pretty dang shiny in person. Also learned the difference between emery cloth and sandpaper, feeling like such a fool for not finding it earlier, it's perfect for the job when you're sliding it in nooks and crannies that might have sharp edges, and its fabric like backing takes that abuse without breaking in the slightest. Did some research into things to coat it, some $77/qt stuff to make it look shiny with mixed reviews, chrome spray to blind other drivers as well as myself, or some metallics to look blah, but absorb all the nicks and scratches that will very likely come its way. Did a small test on an area with a color and will see how I like it in the morning, and maybe I'll report back if it goes well... although between us, if it doesn't go well, I'll probably fix it, try something else, and make it seem like it worked the first time around. Wouldn't want you all to think I don't know what I'm doing, ... like just about everything else I've done so far with the car :D
 
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So I pulled the engine about a month ago, and been waiting on the engine harness to come in this whole time. Equal parts angry and disappointed, but the adult in me took that opportunity to take out a bunch of put options against them, and watching their stock drop 1.5 points means cashing those options in just got me a free set of Hoosiers... which I would almost happily trade for the g-d engine harness.

Ended up getting a new intake, thinking further ahead in the future, even bigger plans after the next season, so, might as well go with the Cobra Jet, which, is yuuuuuge. Top to top, it's a couple inches taller than the 18+ Intake, and those long runners are well, downright sexy.

View attachment 67773

also just look how much bigger it is after the throttle body, the CJ it just tapers out immediately from what was already huge.

View attachment 67774

Until I get the engine harness, it's just kinda going to sit, all dressed up, and nowhere to go.

So, trying to stay busy, decided to take on the cage which I stupidly left untreated from I believe last March. Not that it rains too much out in San Diego, but moisture here, fog there, all those add up and start pulling a lil' orange glow to the cage that I wasn't much digging on, so, I put my man skills to use and stroked the hell out of all this big ass pipe.

View attachment 67775

My crappy phone makes everything look fuzzy, but it's pretty dang shiny in person. Also learned the difference between emery cloth and sandpaper, feeling like such a fool for not finding it earlier, it's perfect for the job when you're sliding it in nooks and crannies that might have sharp edges, and its fabric like backing takes that abuse without breaking in the slightest. Did some research into things to coat it, some $77/qt stuff to make it look shiny with mixed reviews, chrome spray to blind other drivers as well as myself, or some metallics to look blah, but absorb all the nicks and scratches that will very likely come its way. Did a small test on an area with a color and will see how I like it in the morning, and maybe I'll report back if it goes well... although between us, if it doesn't go well, I'll probably fix it, try something else, and make it seem like it worked the first time around. Wouldn't want you all to think I don't know what I'm doing, ... like just about everything else I've done so far with the car :D
Scotchbrite pads and a jitter bug work really well….jus’ sayin’
 
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Pleasanton: 1/2 way between Sonoma and Laguna Seca
So I pulled the engine about a month ago, and been waiting on the engine harness to come in this whole time. Equal parts angry and disappointed, but the adult in me took that opportunity to take out a bunch of put options against them, and watching their stock drop 1.5 points means cashing those options in just got me a free set of Hoosiers... which I would almost happily trade for the g-d engine harness.

Ended up getting a new intake, thinking further ahead in the future, even bigger plans after the next season, so, might as well go with the Cobra Jet, which, is yuuuuuge. Top to top, it's a couple inches taller than the 18+ Intake, and those long runners are well, downright sexy.

View attachment 67773

also just look how much bigger it is after the throttle body, the CJ it just tapers out immediately from what was already huge.

View attachment 67774

Until I get the engine harness, it's just kinda going to sit, all dressed up, and nowhere to go.

So, trying to stay busy, decided to take on the cage which I stupidly left untreated from I believe last March. Not that it rains too much out in San Diego, but moisture here, fog there, all those add up and start pulling a lil' orange glow to the cage that I wasn't much digging on, so, I put my man skills to use and stroked the hell out of all this big ass pipe.

View attachment 67775

My crappy phone makes everything look fuzzy, but it's pretty dang shiny in person. Also learned the difference between emery cloth and sandpaper, feeling like such a fool for not finding it earlier, it's perfect for the job when you're sliding it in nooks and crannies that might have sharp edges, and its fabric like backing takes that abuse without breaking in the slightest. Did some research into things to coat it, some $77/qt stuff to make it look shiny with mixed reviews, chrome spray to blind other drivers as well as myself, or some metallics to look blah, but absorb all the nicks and scratches that will very likely come its way. Did a small test on an area with a color and will see how I like it in the morning, and maybe I'll report back if it goes well... although between us, if it doesn't go well, I'll probably fix it, try something else, and make it seem like it worked the first time around. Wouldn't want you all to think I don't know what I'm doing, ... like just about everything else I've done so far with the car :D
Send the intake to be CNC ported. Worth the price for sure.
 

PaddyPrix

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Send the intake to be CNC ported. Worth the price for sure.
I was looking into somebody doing it last night, seems like it's $300 well spent. Thanks for the scotchbrite tip, much cheaper than using all her nail polish remover.

Will the CJ intake fit under your hood?
It should be close, but I've got no issues cutting holes in my hood and might have to skin some of the stock hood inner metal skeleton and help it out with a K Member spacer or two. I was planning on getting some hood pins and tossing a fiberglass sheet, but I'll get some measurements when I get closer.
 
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PaddyPrix

If breakin' parts is cool, consider me Miles Davis
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485
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Time Attack
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San Diego

PaddyPrix

If breakin' parts is cool, consider me Miles Davis
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Time Attack
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Under 3 Years
San Diego
I think thats the one...Bret Barber is the guys name IIRC. Did a stellar job on my intake.
Awesome, that's what I needed. Been seeing his name bounced around, but didn't know the people saying so. Here's hoping you get a sweet Christmas card out of it.

What track was that at?? What took so long for track rescue to get to you…
Willow Springs Int'l Raceway, the oldest continually used track in the country.

Interesting you talk about how long it took. I was talking to somebody who was mentioning a fellow racer who lost their ZL1 1LE to a fire, and they are looking at legal action related to how long it took for them to respond. Unfortunately with all the forms and indemnification you sign to get to the track, I don't think they'll have much of a leg to stand on. How would one quantify how long is too long? What is the average? It's not like these guys have the data of all their stops and whatnot with a 99.99999% uptime. If you think about our race cars doing a lap in 1:30, what would you expect a pickup truck loaded with fire extinguishers to do? 2:30? They're not going to come the second you go 4 off, so there's some lag time where they're figuring out whether or not you need the help, and they can't watch every single car on the track, and at some tracks, they don't even have visibility to the whole track either. Hell, if you watch my video again, it's as if he almost came over to yell at me for getting out of the car.

No malice intended, just further justification the need to take matters into your own hands whenever possible, even if they get there in just one minute, that's still a full minute you're burning some really hot race gas on all your plastic and electronics.
 

ChrisM

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I've been told that if you aren't willing to set it on fire and push it off a cliff yourself, then you probably shouldn't take it to the track (not meant to be a dig at you @PaddyPrix ).

Obviously an exaggeration; I wouldn't do it to my car, but I understand the sentiment. Sounds like something the ZL1 driver should have considered. If I had to venture a guess, I'd say the first priority for those response crews is preservation of life. If the car is on fire and the driver is not in danger, the sense of urgency goes down a little bit rather than drive a little more hastily and risk an accident themselves.
 
Awesome, that's what I needed. Been seeing his name bounced around, but didn't know the people saying so. Here's hoping you get a sweet Christmas card out of it.


Willow Springs Int'l Raceway, the oldest continually used track in the country.

Interesting you talk about how long it took. I was talking to somebody who was mentioning a fellow racer who lost their ZL1 1LE to a fire, and they are looking at legal action related to how long it took for them to respond. Unfortunately with all the forms and indemnification you sign to get to the track, I don't think they'll have much of a leg to stand on. How would one quantify how long is too long? What is the average? It's not like these guys have the data of all their stops and whatnot with a 99.99999% uptime. If you think about our race cars doing a lap in 1:30, what would you expect a pickup truck loaded with fire extinguishers to do? 2:30? They're not going to come the second you go 4 off, so there's some lag time where they're figuring out whether or not you need the help, and they can't watch every single car on the track, and at some tracks, they don't even have visibility to the whole track either. Hell, if you watch my video again, it's as if he almost came over to yell at me for getting out of the car.

No malice intended, just further justification the need to take matters into your own hands whenever possible, even if they get there in just one minute, that's still a full minute you're burning some really hot race gas on all your plastic and electronics.
When I lived in Lancaster Ca 36 years ago I used to go there an watch races. My local track Pittsburgh International Race Complex has pretty quick response to track incidents. Like you I keep a fire extinguisher close by just for what happened to you. I would never try to sue the track. Good to see you got out and extinguished your fire.
 

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