TMO Is Now a Tire Rack Affiliate

[Bill Pemberton]

Great now this thread is back to links, sausages and now wieners!

 

[Fabman]

Be a winner and buy some tires!

4 more Hoosiers next week...


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[ArizonaBOSS]

4 more Hoosiers next week...


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Fresh Hoosiers

 

[Bill Pemberton]

Problem is folks misread it and thought it said, " Be a weiner , buy some tires!"

Seriously , I am struggling with whether to get a set of Michelin Sport Cup 2s or Hoosier R 7s. Seems like VoodooBoss has had good luck with Sport Cup 2s and though I was not a big fan of the first iteration, the 2s seem to be a lot better? My concern is I don't see them as fast as the R7s , but this tire has really puzzled me. When it came out it promised better adhesion than the R6s , as well as better tire life? I found I was no faster on 7s than on 6s and they actually wore faster, but I have not actually run them since 2015 and I know compounds are constantly changing. What are folks finding late last year or this year for wear on the Hoosiers? I know Tire Rack has a better price on the Michelins, as well as a $70 Cashcard through part of April , but wondering the wear on the Hoosier? Plus if anyone has run both , of late, how much faster is the Hoosier?

Car is coming late April , so going to get some tires soon from Tire Rack!

 

[Bill Pemberton]

Will trailer , so that helps, and anyone who had run both , love to hear from you also.

 

[ArizonaBOSS]

@Bill Pemberton , For R7s I'm counting on about 400 mins of track time and 18-20 heat cycles of life, if you rotate every two sessions, and flip the tires after each 120ish minutes of use.

I would not recommend driving to the track on them as this will cycle them out faster. If you trailer, absolutely get the R7s. Otherwise, go with a street compound or even an NT01.

 

[Bill Pemberton]

Interesting , so get the impression you are not a fan of the Sport Cups? Admit I was not much with the originals but was hoping reports the 2s were a lot better were accurate?

 

[ArizonaBOSS]

I cannot comment on the Sport Cups--never run them. Only offering my experiences with many sets of R7s for your consideration.

 

[Bill Pemberton]

Cool --- have run a ton of R7s too. The original Pilot Sports sucked if it was cool ( and I mean in the 60s, which is perfect in many cases ) , but when it was super hot , they actually were as quick as the Hoosiers - which got greasy when in the 90s+. The new ones are supposed to be a lot better in cooler weather and that is part of what I am wondering , plus they did last a lot longer. Appreciate the note on the Hoosiers, since for sheer stick in most conditions they are the gold standard.

 

[Fabman]

Fresh Hoosiers

Yes......BIG. FAT. JUICY Hoosiers. Muahahahaha.....!

 

[Bill Pemberton]

I used to run Yokohamas on the front of my Boss and Hoosiers in the rear -- called them babies Hoosiermama.

Bet you saw that coming ? Gotta leave work in 8 minutes so ...................have a Fab evening!

 

[Fabman]

have a Fab evening!

Did you say...."FAB"...?

 

[Bill Pemberton]

Sure Man!

 

[VoodooBoss]

Cool --- have run a ton of R7s too. The original Pilot Sports sucked if it was cool ( and I mean in the 60s, which is perfect in many cases ) , but when it was super hot , they actually were as quick as the Hoosiers - which got greasy when in the 90s+. The new ones are supposed to be a lot better in cooler weather and that is part of what I am wondering , plus they did last a lot longer. Appreciate the note on the Hoosiers, since for sheer stick in most conditions they are the gold standard.

The PSC2's are a fantastic tire and according to @Black Boss not too far off the R7's. The other street legal tire to consider is the Pirelli Trefeo R, the tire on the Z/28. I may try them next time.

 

[Black Boss]

@Bill Pemberton My experience after 20+ track days split about equally between PSC2's and R7's is that at their best,
Lap times are very close. The PSC2's start strong each session and fall off quite a bit. The R7's are more consistent over a 30 minute run. Plan on 16-22 cycles on either, depending on the track surface and session length if you swap L/R. For fastest single lap or TT either is a great option. For race I'd go R7's. For mixed track and street go PSC2 -- they are less susceptible to cycling/wear on the street.

 

[Bill Pemberton]

Thanks Nick , since I am considering going staggered , I appreciate the note on both and though I thought you had run both , it is great to know your assessment after a lot of track time. Appreciate you taking the time to drop a note in this thread!

 

[Black Boss]

Should have added that for pure track use the R7's seem to last longer -- swapping L/R they heat cycle before cording. On the other hand the PSC2's cord before heat cycling. Both these data points are at 2*-2.1* front camber. I'm told this is due to the dual compounds on the PSC2's.

With that much camber the better street life on the PSC2's is probably the trade off.

 

[Bill Pemberton]

....and you are using your CF rims with a square set up ( tire wise -315s ) with both?

 

[Black Boss]

Yes, I'm running the CF wheels with Hoos 315's front and rear.

 

[Bill Pemberton]

That was nice of you to call Nick ,nice, as he is that also ,ha,ha.

Thanks Nick, I was fairly sure on that , but just wanted to double check -- appreciate the info