Electric F-150

[PatrickStapler]

Pulling power from the grid is less green than many want to think.

I would agree this is the biggest smoke & mirror of the entire idea.

 

[302BOB]

The Sun is a God given power source we need to harness and benefit from for the the future!!!!...Solar, Wind and Electric go hand in hand.....................

 

[blacksheep-1]

Here's what I know, I saw AJ ring out the Porsche Super zoomy hybrid whatever supercar at Sebring. For about 3 laps, then it dumped and became a Miata... a very heavy Miata.. a very heavy, expensive Miata.
If that's a harbinger of what we can expect, I'm not impressed.
The new electric has the ability to dump and become a very heavy, expensive, paper weight in the middle of Resume Speed Montana, because , unlike the Porsche.. there's no way home.

 

[302BOB]

BS1.....These are the early days of electric.........I'm sure in tyme, things will get better.................They always find a way................

 

[TymeSlayer]

A generator on wheels! What a concept!

"F-150 Lightning can power your home during an outage; it’s even quicker than the original F-150 Lightning performance truck; and it will constantly improve through over-the-air updates.”

 

[blacksheep-1]

you can run your house off the hybrid, (well some of it) they did that in Texas when the green energy went hooters up, but I don't see the electric doing it for very long. Right now, driving a pure electric is hanging on to a very short rope without a net.

 

[Grant 302]

I would agree this is the biggest smoke & mirror of the entire idea.

Dunno. Might be the batteries and the current means of constructing them.

My whole point is that people take pretty firm stances on these issues without getting into all the facts or understanding of most of the actual impacts.

My main concern is the potential fallacy of carbon emissions being used as the sole scale to measure by. And even if that’s agreed upon, accounting for the entire life cycle carbon output has been modeled pretty poorly.

 

[Grant 302]

A generator on wheels! What a concept!

"F-150 Lightning can power your home during an outage; it’s even quicker than the original F-150 Lightning performance truck; and it will constantly improve through over-the-air updates.”

That’s just the ‘we can do what Tesla does’ marketing and salesman crap. In reality, that’s little more than a UPS backup for your computer. BFD.

 

[blacksheep-1]

That’s just ONE problem. They’ve become very polarized as political talking points. Both sides of the extremes are fairly uninformed

I'm just a free market capitalist

 

[Grant 302]

I'm just a free market capitalist

So am I. I squeezed a shitload of money out of the market. Even just this morning.

I am also an environmentalist. Just not the stereotypical type.

Believe it or not.

 

[blacksheep-1]

So am I. I squeezed a shitload of money out of the market. Even just this morning.

I am also an environmentalist. Just not the stereotypical type.

Believe it or not.

so is everyone else, no one wants to live in a dirty world

 

[ChrisM]

That’s just the ‘we can do what Tesla does’ marketing and salesman crap. In reality, that’s little more than a UPS backup for your computer. BFD.

*looks at all the computers and phones that receive "over-the-air updates," shudders at dealing with that with my vehicle*

 

[PatrickStapler]

Not to fear. All of the infrastructure to accommodate those OTA vehicle software updates will be in next years $6T Green New Deal for the People Budget. Baby steps. We can’t have it all for free at once.

It is all free right? That’s what I’ve been hearing.

 

[TMSBOSS]

It is all free right? That’s what I’ve been hearing.

Unless you are part of that one percent, right?

 

[Grant 302]

so is everyone else, no one wants to live in a dirty world

Nobody wants *their* world to be dirty.

And there is no single standard for what a ‘clean’ world is.

Some people couldn’t give two shits.

Some people just can’t afford to.

So I disagree.

 

[Grant 302]

*looks at all the computers and phones that receive "over-the-air updates," shudders at dealing with that with my vehicle*

I never do any of that. At least not where it can be avoided. Thankfully, most things I’ve owned seem to have that option.

 

[Dave_W]

blacksheep-1 said:
I can completely see the hybrid, but as for electrics, I only can picture them as commuter cars of less than about 300 miles, in an urban environment.

And that is the problem with today's public opinion of the electric cars. An electric car carries a lot of weight due to the batteries, and you need a lot of batteries to have a lot of range, which adds more weight as range goes up...
On the other hand, large vehicles that are anyway heavy because of towing requirements (brakes, suspensions, tires and wheels, plus big torquey diesel engines) don't suffer as much from the extra weight a battery brings into the equation, and those vehicles are the ones that benefit from all that torque all the time... So fitting a battery under the [pickup truck] does not reduce the ground clearance much, nor does it raise the driving position, two massive problems you encounter on a normal passenger electric vehicle with the batteries in the floor.

Yes, a 1/2- or 3/4-ton pickup can carry more battery weight than a small car if you're looking at percentage of vehicle weight, and that helps range. But I think the sweet spot is a PHEV that uses an engine as a generator to add range. By using it as a generator instead of driving vehicle motion directly, it can be run in a tight rpm range where it's most efficient. The battery is still needed as storage for regenerative braking. And why not make it a turbine instead of a piston engine, while we're at it? FedEx is giving it a try.

FedEx's New Electric Trucks Get a Boost From Diesel Turbines

FedEx is testing a new powertrain that makes its trucks into electric vehicles with onboard diesel generators.

www.wired.com

 

[Grant 302]

Yes, a 1/2- or 3/4-ton pickup can carry more battery weight than a small car if you're looking at percentage of vehicle weight, and that helps range. But I think the sweet spot is a PHEV that uses an engine as a generator to add range. By using it as a generator instead of driving vehicle motion directly, it can be run in a tight rpm range where it's most efficient. The battery is still needed as storage for regenerative braking. And why not make it a turbine instead of a piston engine, while we're at it? FedEx is giving it a try.

FedEx's New Electric Trucks Get a Boost From Diesel Turbines

FedEx is testing a new powertrain that makes its trucks into electric vehicles with onboard diesel generators.

www.wired.com

“...nearly 700 aircraft...”

I think they should look there if they really want to affect their carbon footprint more.

That’s interesting news on their hybrid diesel testing. But I’m sure they’re more focused on the cost savings and optics. Not that that’s bad thing.

...

But for the F-150, I’m wondering if it could use NiMH for some of its strengths over Li-ion.