This is a Porsche, but this guy compares the Trofeo RS tires to the cheaper Nanking CR-S


It is a GT3RS, wow, that car is fast.

To save you from looking for the lap times, which are not highlighted in any way, the Trofeo RS is about 3 seconds faster in lap time, but he ends up concluding that the Nanking CR-S is better, mainly due to price, which I find rather hilarious since he is not lapping in a Mustang but in a GT3RS, which, if you can find one, will cost you around about $400k after dealer mark up.

The laps are not perfect, as other, slower (aren't they all slower when you are driving a GT3RS?) cars are on the track, but, still, that is a massive difference, and he gets held up at one point on the "fast lap" with the Trofeo RS.

Anyway, sharing here for those of you who have the Dark Horse with the Handling Package and those insane Pirelli Trofeo RS tires.

I have the RS on my DH, it has the handling package. I don't find them confidence inspiring in the wet, though they are better than a slick. Pretty pricey though. I've used Nankangs before and they were great value, good grip and excellent price.

I have rs on my 13 boss LS they are like glue. Much better than the original pirelli corsa.

3 seconds faster than the CRS, which is already a pretty fast tire, is quite impressive. They should do another comparison against the 3R or even the A7.

Ewheels said:

3 seconds faster than the CRS, which is already a pretty fast tire, is quite impressive. They should do another comparison against the 3R or even the A7.

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Just to be 100% clear, yes, it is substantially faster, but they did not have clean runs either time. I just compared the two fastest lap times.

If treadwear ratings were actually standardised and accurate, i would expect a 100TW tyre to be faster than a 200TW tyre.
We pay to go fast, it just depends how fast and for how long you want to go for the same wallet hit. The GT3RS is a much lighter car so probably doesn't do the same damage to a softer tyre than a Mustang.
Love my CRS but like @JDee mentioned, stay away from water with any of these.

GAR944 said:

If treadwear ratings were actually standardised and accurate, i would expect a 100TW tyre to be faster than a 200TW tyre.
We pay to go fast, it just depends how fast and for how long you want to go for the same wallet hit. The GT3RS is a much lighter car so probably doesn't do the same damage to a softer tyre than a Mustang.
Love my CRS but like @JDee mentioned, stay away from water with any of these.

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LOL, I drove home in the rain last night on my Trofeo RS tires.

It was not raining much, and there was no standing water.

I got caught in a real rainstorm once on the interstate. I drove at less than 60 mph the entire way, a little slower if water was standing or other drivers were hitting the brakes, to leave me room to maneuver if needed.

The dark horse R race cars were shipped with pirelli trofeo tires 305x30x19 front 315x30x19 rear new from ford . Race teams can't use them . Don't know what they ship them on now due to tire size change they went to 18 tires.

The owners manual in 13 boss with pirelli corsa tires says fair weather driving. The trofeo are basically a race slick with some groves. And mine a few!
But the grip is there !!! Only street drove them

Junkyard Dog said:

LOL, I drove home in the rain last night on my Trofeo RS tires.

It was not raining much, and there was no standing water.

I got caught in a real rainstorm once on the interstate. I drove at less than 60 mph the entire way, a little slower if water was standing or other drivers were hitting the brakes, to leave me room to maneuver if needed.

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First track day on the CRS and it rained when all the quick cars were on pit lane. Needless to say it was the slowest fast group ever. I hit 88mph down the front straight and though i was going back to the future, walked all over the place. Put some stock sized 4S's on for the rest of the day and scared myself at 112mph instead. Had a talking to myself on the front straight after it locked a brake, pagids on road tyres in the wet will do that, why am i out here risking this.

TA28 said:

The dark horse R race cars were shipped with pirelli trofeo tires 305x30x19 front 315x30x19 rear new from ford . Race teams can't use them . Don't know what they ship them on now due to tire size change they went to 18 tires.

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They never ran the Trofeo RS. This is racing. They ran racing slicks on the staggered 19 inch wheels, but in the same size tire front and rear. This year they downsized to 18 inch, a much lighter forged wheel (and a bunch of other changes).

"The last move is a look at reducing unsprung weight with a move to a smaller wheel and tire package. Whereas the original Dark Horse R wore Ford Performance Parts R1 flow-formed wheels (19×10.5-inch front, 19×11-inch rear) shod with 295/30R19 racing slick tires, the new fitment includes new 18-inch wheels wrapped in 280/680R18 racing slicks."

This link says the 19 inch tires were Yokohama Advan 310/690R19 racing slick.

Both of the links have pictures of the original and this year's wheels. Neither of them are the factory Dark Horse handling package wheels.

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First track day on the CRS and it rained when all the quick cars were on pit lane. Needless to say it was the slowest fast group ever. I hit 88mph down the front straight and though i was going back to the future, walked all over the place. Put some stock sized 4S's on for the rest of the day and scared myself at 112mph instead. Had a talking to myself on the front straight after it locked a brake, pagids on road tyres in the wet will do that, why am i out here risking this.

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Had something similar, near full tread nankangs in this stead rain soaked track. Braking and turn in was decent, power down was bad. Biggest help was running the car in 'normal' ESC mode, which gave a decent throttle mapping, moderate pulling of power, and quickly caught the worst oversteer snaps. "slippery' mode was too intrusive and slower.



In my 2nd hand experience, the DH trofeo's match the speed (within probaby .5s a lap) of the fastest 200's - yoks and maye a bit slower than hoosier TAPs. But cost more and wear fast. This was on a DH running trofeos vs 295/30/19 AO52's (which are 305 sized).

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Had something similar, near full tread nankangs in this stead rain soaked track. Braking and turn in was decent, power down was bad. Biggest help was running the car in 'normal' ESC mode, which gave a decent throttle mapping, moderate pulling of power, and quickly caught the worst oversteer snaps. "slippery' mode was too intrusive and slower.

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In my 2nd hand experience, the DH trofeo's match the speed (within probaby .5s a lap) of the fastest 200's - yoks and maye a bit slower than hoosier TAPs. But cost more and wear fast. This was on a DH running trofeos vs 295/30/19 AO52's (which are 305 sized).

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So the Hoosier Track Attack Pro comes in the stock Trofeo RS sizes and are about a hundred bucks a tire cheaper. They are also faster and last longer? I see the tread depth is 5.3/32" LOL at measuring down to a tenth of one thirty-second . . .


EDIT: The reviews on Tire Rack are not good. There are not that many reviews, though, so . . .

Junkyard Dog said:

So the Hoosier Track Attack Pro comes in the stock Trofeo RS sizes and are about a hundred bucks a tire cheaper. They are also faster and last longer? I see the tread depth is 5.3/32" LOL at measuring down to a tenth of one thirty-second . . .


EDIT: The reviews on Tire Rack are not good. There are not that many reviews, though, so . . .

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From cars I've run against, TAPs are the fastest 200tw - close to SC3R, but will wear/heat cycle out quickly, like sportcup2's . If your rules allow it, you should be on them. Just for fun, but want almost as fast, nankang, vitour, yokohama, bridgestone in order of wear and speed throughout the tread life.

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From cars I've run against, TAPs are the fastest 200tw - close to SC3R, but will wear/heat cycle out quickly, like sportcup2's . If your rules allow it, you should be on them. Just for fun, but want almost as fast, nankang, vitour, yokohama, bridgestone in order of wear and speed throughout the tread life.

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The Hoosier wear/heat cycle out quickly?

The SC3R are 100 tread wear, wow! Not as bad as the original Trofeo R (nor the RS that comes on the Dark Horse) at only 60.

Junkyard Dog said:

The Hoosier wear/heat cycle out quickly?

The SC3R are 100 tread wear, wow! Not as bad as the original Trofeo R (nor the RS that comes on the Dark Horse) at only 60.

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The treadwear numbers don't mean anything. Toyo RR slicks have a TW rating of 40 but they wear like iron....and are slow as all hell.