I'm looking to take the plunge into a coilover setup in the next few months and have been reading prior posts and recommendations. It seems the most highly recommended setups are either from Vorshlag or Cortex and I reached out to both for their recommendations on my 2024 GT. Both recommended the MCS double adjustable with remote reservoir. I responded back to both companies with further questions on the setups, but oddly enough, neither responded to my follow up questions.

I have been trying to research the differences in the Cortex vs Vorshlag setup, and I'm not 100% certain this is accurate, but it appears that the Cortex system has a front strut which is manufactured by Cortex with MCS internals where Vorshlag is an off the shelf MCS strut. It looks like both the standard MCS rear shock. Is this correct? What is the difference in the two setups? The Cortex pricing of $6,195 includes the springs and camber plates, where the Vorshlag is $7,098 with springs and camber plates.

I couldn't be happier with my MCS through Vorshlag. Terry is Terry, don't take his social media personally.

I have spent a lot of money at Cortex (cambered axle, SLA front) and while the product is simply amazing, the service and delivery is...er...not great. I got my MCS fronts for the SLA through Cortex and they took several months past promised date, were ordered by Cortex from MCS with the wrong hoses and were too short. Given what I spent on the suspension it was a little frustrating to have to re-engineer the droop and find a place to mount reservoirs on hoses that are about 12 inches long. I could have had both problems fixed by MCS, but on my dime and because the shipment took 4 months longer than promised, I was backed up against an event.

Also, I install a lot of camber plates for customers. Vorshlag are hands down the best of all. They are easily adjustable, work CORRECTLY with the most spring packages and offer the most camber of any other brand.

DaveW

krisk said:

I'm looking to take the plunge into a coilover setup in the next few months and have been reading prior posts and recommendations. It seems the most highly recommended setups are either from Vorshlag or Cortex and I reached out to both for their recommendations on my 2024 GT. Both recommended the MCS double adjustable with remote reservoir. I responded back to both companies with further questions on the setups, but oddly enough, neither responded to my follow up questions.

I have been trying to research the differences in the Cortex vs Vorshlag setup, and I'm not 100% certain this is accurate, but it appears that the Cortex system has a front strut which is manufactured by Cortex with MCS internals where Vorshlag is an off the shelf MCS strut. It looks like both the standard MCS rear shock. Is this correct? What is the difference in the two setups? The Cortex pricing of $6,195 includes the springs and camber plates, where the Vorshlag is $7,098 with springs and camber plates.

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I'm thinking of doing the same - moving to full coilovers- after this season ends. I've never installed coilovers so may opt for the entry-level single adjustable setup to start knowing that they can further be upgraded down the road into doubles. Do you know what/if any spring package you'll use?

I'm looking at Vorshlag's MCS TT1 Single Adjustable Dampers (Ford S650 Mustang w/ Magneride) & GTR package springs likely. However, car currently has magneride so not completely sold on the need for coilovers yet, and instead may opt for Steeda dual-rate springs in short-term.

EricH said:

I'm thinking of doing the same - moving to full coilovers- after this season ends. I've never installed coilovers so may opt for the entry-level single adjustable setup to start knowing that they can further be upgraded down the road into doubles. Do you know what/if any spring package you'll use?

I'm looking at Vorshlag's MCS TT1 Single Adjustable Dampers (Ford S650 Mustang w/ Magneride) & GTR package springs likely. However, car currently has magneride so not completely sold on the need for coilovers yet, and instead may opt for Steeda dual-rate springs in short-term.

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I would likely go with the MCS RR2, double adjustable with remotes. I don't want to start with one setup only to want to change later. However, I plan to go with the GTS springs initially, which are 600# front and 750# rear based on Vorshlag's recommendation. If I add aero to my car in the future, then I can simply swap to the GTR springs which are 800# front and 1100# rear. The GTR I think would be too stiff for a car without aero.

I currently track my car with Steeda's dual rate ultimate handling springs with the factory Magneride struts/shocks. The front springs seem a little soft for track use and I also don't like how much drop they gave the front. I think with the coilovers setup correctly I could run a 315/30r19 on the front, but it rubs with the Steeda springs. I'm currently running 295/30r19 up front and 315/30r19 rear, but I would prefer a square setup.

krisk said:

I would likely go with the MCS RR2, double adjustable with remotes. I don't want to start with one setup only to want to change later. However, I plan to go with the GTS springs initially, which are 600# front and 750# rear based on Vorshlag's recommendation. If I add aero to my car in the future, then I can simply swap to the GTR springs which are 800# front and 1100# rear. The GTR I think would be too stiff for a car without aero.

I currently track my car with Steeda's dual rate ultimate handling springs with the factory Magneride struts/shocks. The front springs seem a little soft for track use and I also don't like how much drop they gave the front. I think with the coilovers setup correctly I could run a 315/30r19 on the front, but it rubs with the Steeda springs. I'm currently running 295/30r19 up front and 315/30r19 rear, but I would prefer a square setup.

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any reason why you aren't/wouldn't have 305 up front? would the steeda springs rub only with a 315 as opposed to a 305 would you know?

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any reason why you aren't/wouldn't have 305 up front? would the steeda springs rub only with a 315 as opposed to a 305 would you know?

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I think 305 would fit, but I’m running Continental ExtemeContact Force which only come in 295 or 315.

Both are good options. The issue with Cortex has been stated about delivery and support. Lead times can take a while with the MCS as well. My buddy waited a few months for his.

I bought my MCS from MMR. You can see if you can get a TMO discount. It was delivered within 3 weeks from order only because I ordered different spring rates than the packages they offer. What I like about the MCS 2 way with reservoir is that you can upgrade to the 3 way when you want. The past 2 years (and currently going on) they have discount on their upgrade service (2W -> 3W) which includes rebuild service. I asked for a quote and was told 2100 which is $1k less than non-promotion times.

krisk said:

The Cortex pricing of $6,195 includes the springs and camber plates

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Cortex usually has deals on their stuff around black Friday whereas Vorshlag does not so the price difference will be more

byronj said:

Both are good options. The issue with Cortex has been stated about delivery and support. Lead times can take a while with the MCS as well. My buddy waited a few months for his.

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I have always had good service directly from MCS and they are communicative and truthful on lead times. The several month wait I had for my fronts was not a delay at MCS, they built and shipped what was ordered within a few weeks of getting the PO from Cortex.

Cortex is making their way in a tough industry with low volume products and the quality and knowledge is top notch. However, if I were to order anything large/build to order from them, I would only do so with a deposit up front and final payment upon shipping so they had skin in the game on delivery dates.

DaveW

I think they are both great suppliers, but Vorshlag left me in a lurch with large order of wheels some time ago. I understand that things can go south sometimes but not answering emails for months is not great. I helped a bunch of track friends buy and order custom wheels for their Camaros, boy was that uncomfortable. After 8 months they were looking at me funny and thinking I swiped the money. Not going to do that again!!

I appreciate all the replies. To summarize what I am hearing both here and in other research:

1. Vorshlag and Cortex are good options as far as quality coilovers.
2. Order delivery and support for either one is luck of the draw.

to add...MMR may have some in stock.

For support I would go directly to MCS. You are in Georgia where they have their HQ and build the shocks so it benefits you actually.

The biggest benefit of going with Vorshlag is if you have a non MR car, they sell their coilovers with the lower offset T bar. MCS does not offer that from factory. If you read through one of Terry's build threads, you will see that the lower t bars from MCS make the coilover spring too close to the axles boot resulting in torn boots. It is better economically to replace the entire axle than just replace the boot(he also covers that in his build thread). I bought my kit from MMR for my 2017 (non MR) and after just rolling the car around i had a puncture in one of the axle boots.

my fix: lucked out grabbing GT350 lower T bars from a member here and buying GT500 RLCA from Midway mustang. The clearance is night and day and no longer an issue.

If you do not buy from vorshlag and need the lower offset t bar, it is like $500 to buy it separately from them

we know how Ford picks and choose what parts to use on what cars, so confirm the RLCA you have. My suggestion to anybody if they do not purchase from Vorshlag would be to go with the GT350/500/MR option and swap out the RLCA to accommodate the mounting

I really like the offset struts that cortex offers. Don’t think anyone else does that

I would look into MMR also. They have a track GT350 and are very responsive to phone calls and emails. IMHO! They provide excellent customer support.

one thing I am not seeing here - is discussion about valving. I'd go with Cortex solely for that. Cortex is developed by better/more experienced drivers and true racers, IMHO. I've heard complaints with Vorshlag's valving. Terry tracks a lot and develops his cars, but he's got a style that doesn't translate for everyone and he's very regional - so results will very when you go to other tracks, IME.

No experience with MMR's coil overs, but given their business practices, I'd shy away from them based on that.

Ordered my mcs doubles with canisters on 3/29 from cortex. Delivered 8/12 and unfortunately the rears were wrong. No canisters. So finally got everything by 8/22. I did have to file a dispute with PayPal mid way through to even get a single response back. I didn’t even care about the lead time just wanted a single update after 2-3 months of nothing.

Fww I am very pleased with the actual product. I did the offset strut and it’s amazing the clearance I have. Offset mount in the rear cleared my ford racing axles. No complaint there.

I would order again from cortex.