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Funny, I had a similarly negative experience with NASA officials in regards to classing my car. The way they handled it put a very sour taste in my mouth.I'm reaching out to various groups to see if we can get some support for the new Lap Times system, as I think it's pretty damned cool, and everyone seems to really like it so far. SCCA has been receptive and so have others. But when I reached out to NASA, this is the response I got from them:
I don't understand why a group like NASA would be against the idea of showing support for an online community like ours, mentioning us in a news article, etc, when our site is full of people who participate at their events. It stands to reason we would all benefit from helping each other out. I would happily do more to help bring some more exposure to their events on our site, like take the time to add them all to our Events calendar - I've even offered to do just that. I've actually reached out to them to see if there's a spreadsheet for the events, and other ideas on how we could help each other out. They have shown no interest.
Here we are with a cool new Lap Times system that is pretty unique, fun, and could end up being pretty useful for Mustang track rats. And they don't see any value in helping us bring more exposure to it. Helping us doesn't align with their mission and their membership - or maybe the idea of recognizing a system that allows Mustang owners to submit and store lap times is problematic? I don't know. It doesn't make sense to me.
Someone should suggest to their leadership that they be a little less rigid with their unwillingness to show support for other groups who are more than happy to show support for them. For as welcoming and helpful as the racing community is for participants, you'd think it would be easy to get that same type of support for TMO from the organizations that put on the events.
Oh hell, here comes the ginger perspective... I kid, I kid!Ooh, I get to use one of my degrees today. I don't think they meant it with malice, but if I were in some role there, I'd somewhat see it the same, as my goal would be to raise its presence and prestige, growing the organization through various strategic partnerships, and in that mindset, I'd have a hard time seeing how a specific build/make-focused... well anything, would build towards that. I say that, because that seems to fit their pattern, if you look over the least year's worth of messaging, they are focused on bringing in partners like Toyota and the GR Track Experience (free day of instruction/tracking), or Yokohama with tire contingencies and sponsoring the Move of the Month. The rest of that would be a driver spotlight/story, and some paid/partner product/technology showcase like a new fire system.
Kindness doesn't cost anything, and I'm sure they know that a majority of their Ford/Mustang drivers are active here (anyone know of a regional/national champ not here?) and yeah, it would have been nice for a shout out or something, but if it were me, I'd fear it opening a Pandora's box where say, BimmerForums, VWVortex, Viper Club of America, etc, etc, and others do the same, and I'm maybe having to tell the people who are paying for advertising why I'm letting people in the club for free. I dunno, perhaps that opens up for situations where now these people are finding and joining new forums (which is awesome for the forums, not so much NASA) and they read that some redheaded dude in NASA SoCal is a dick (he is), and that's why they switched to SCCA, GridLyfe, ... I dunno.
We still love you though.
They wouldn’t let me run in TT4 because I have an aftermarket K member which (can, doesn’t necessarily have to) alters front control arm pickup points. Many emails later, they were going to approve me to run in TT4 with a handicap and then did a total 180° after 20+ emails and said no, TT3 only. Even though my car is nowhere near TT3 power to weight ratio. Not really interested in fully gutting and spending $5k to build up the engine to be competitive in TT3 for the time being.What was the issue?
NASA's response definitely could have been written a lot better but I would agree with others who mentioned the insurance and liability issues for anyone using it in hpde. I was just at a HOD event last week and when someone in the driver meeting asked if transponders were available, the coaches were quick to give a disclaimer that they don't promote competition. I'm sure there are plenty of lawyers and activists, especially here in CA, that would love to financially benefit from and/or shut down our sport.If they were ONLY an HPDE organization, I could see that. Granted, I know a big portion of their business revolves around HPDE, but they do have a lot of Mustangs participating in TT and W2W competition too. But good point about legal and insurance. I wouldn't be too surprised if that was behind the response. Whatever it is, it's just too bad.