Serious advice between a gt500 and Boss

[BLAZN BOSS]

The '12 Shelby is NOTHING at all like the Boss's. Its tough to describe just how big of a difference there is. I was all about the '12 GT500s until I got to test drive one before I purchased it. I was just really disappointed. Its great straight line, but it is HEAVY. If you are going to do the 1/4 mile thing a lot, the 500 would be the way to go. Its easy to get in the low 11's/high 10's. Thats about all they are good at, IMO. The Boss's are the best bang for performance buck there is. Period. Best of luck to you. Do you have any pics of all these mods? Im kindof curious about em.

I dont see how a heavy car would be the go to car for the drag strip. the 5.0 is just the better engine IMO 8lbs of boost on a boss will walk a 12 gt500 with 8lbs of boost at the track. and with either car if you want to get crazy with boost you will end up building the bottom end in either ride so my choice all day long would be the boss. the boss is one of the reasons why they had to go nuts with the 13 gt500.

I dont know man. Its just so easy to get the 11-12 Shelby's fast in the 1/4. Its just my personal opinion. Im not a 1/4 mile guy as I've only been to a couple events. Not my thing. Just most of the guys I know that drag love the 500's with a tune/pulley/exhaust mod.

Give this article a read it might shed some light on what I am saying. the boss motor flows more air and bigger cams etc so it will only make more power.

http://www.mustang50magazine.com/techarticles/m5lp_1105_ford_mustang_kenne_bell_supercharger_5_0_coyote_vs_5_4_condor/viewall.html

You are also forgetting the fact of the MT82. It is going to have some serious issues with all that power. Why do you think the fastest coyotes are running autos? The Tremec can handle that power well. The Getrag is eventually going to fail. The Roadrunner is quite possibly one of the best engines an American auto maker has made, but we are comparing a Boss to a GT500 which is the whole vehicle.

oh agreed but if you want to get real serious about drag racing the trans would have to go in favor a built automatic.

these mt-82's seem good to me.......fotuneatly ive had no issues
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpYJRSus2ns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=bRH55UtXfV0&NR=1

 

[LindsayEOD]

The '12 Shelby is NOTHING at all like the Boss's. Its tough to describe just how big of a difference there is. I was all about the '12 GT500s until I got to test drive one before I purchased it. I was just really disappointed. Its great straight line, but it is HEAVY. If you are going to do the 1/4 mile thing a lot, the 500 would be the way to go. Its easy to get in the low 11's/high 10's. Thats about all they are good at, IMO. The Boss's are the best bang for performance buck there is. Period. Best of luck to you. Do you have any pics of all these mods? Im kindof curious about em.

I dont see how a heavy car would be the go to car for the drag strip. the 5.0 is just the better engine IMO 8lbs of boost on a boss will walk a 12 gt500 with 8lbs of boost at the track. and with either car if you want to get crazy with boost you will end up building the bottom end in either ride so my choice all day long would be the boss. the boss is one of the reasons why they had to go nuts with the 13 gt500.

I dont know man. Its just so easy to get the 11-12 Shelby's fast in the 1/4. Its just my personal opinion. Im not a 1/4 mile guy as I've only been to a couple events. Not my thing. Just most of the guys I know that drag love the 500's with a tune/pulley/exhaust mod.

Give this article a read it might shed some light on what I am saying. the boss motor flows more air and bigger cams etc so it will only make more power.

http://www.mustang50magazine.com/techarticles/m5lp_1105_ford_mustang_kenne_bell_supercharger_5_0_coyote_vs_5_4_condor/viewall.html

You are also forgetting the fact of the MT82. It is going to have some serious issues with all that power. Why do you think the fastest coyotes are running autos? The Tremec can handle that power well. The Getrag is eventually going to fail. The Roadrunner is quite possibly one of the best engines an American auto maker has made, but we are comparing a Boss to a GT500 which is the whole vehicle.

oh agreed but if you want to get real serious about drag racing the trans would have to go in favor a built automatic.

Completely agree, but you will be able to go further with a GT500 than a Boss in the 1/4 because of the entire power-train. Just to clarify, Im a Boss guy, but the GT500 is badass on the dragstrip and with a a few minor mods, you will be fast without having to worry about easily breaking stuff.

 

[jeepinocala]

You are also forgetting the fact of the MT82. It is going to have some serious issues with all that power.


I do not believe the trans will have any issues. All of the problems you have read of are to a few cars even with the clutch. And as for any shifting problem that is a very open easy to fix issue Ive already done them. But just to help-if the trans breaks I will buy a new better one ;D

 

[Justin]

The '12 Shelby is NOTHING at all like the Boss's. Its tough to describe just how big of a difference there is. I was all about the '12 GT500s until I got to test drive one before I purchased it. I was just really disappointed. Its great straight line, but it is HEAVY. If you are going to do the 1/4 mile thing a lot, the 500 would be the way to go. Its easy to get in the low 11's/high 10's. Thats about all they are good at, IMO. The Boss's are the best bang for performance buck there is. Period. Best of luck to you. Do you have any pics of all these mods? Im kindof curious about em.

I dont see how a heavy car would be the go to car for the drag strip. the 5.0 is just the better engine IMO 8lbs of boost on a boss will walk a 12 gt500 with 8lbs of boost at the track. and with either car if you want to get crazy with boost you will end up building the bottom end in either ride so my choice all day long would be the boss. the boss is one of the reasons why they had to go nuts with the 13 gt500.

I dont know man. Its just so easy to get the 11-12 Shelby's fast in the 1/4. Its just my personal opinion. Im not a 1/4 mile guy as I've only been to a couple events. Not my thing. Just most of the guys I know that drag love the 500's with a tune/pulley/exhaust mod.

Give this article a read it might shed some light on what I am saying. the boss motor flows more air and bigger cams etc so it will only make more power.

http://www.mustang50magazine.com/techarticles/m5lp_1105_ford_mustang_kenne_bell_supercharger_5_0_coyote_vs_5_4_condor/viewall.html

You are also forgetting the fact of the MT82. It is going to have some serious issues with all that power. Why do you think the fastest coyotes are running autos? The Tremec can handle that power well. The Getrag is eventually going to fail. The Roadrunner is quite possibly one of the best engines an American auto maker has made, but we are comparing a Boss to a GT500 which is the whole vehicle.

oh agreed but if you want to get real serious about drag racing the trans would have to go in favor a built automatic.

these mt-82's seem good to me.......fotuneatly ive had no issues
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpYJRSus2ns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=bRH55UtXfV0&NR=1

from what I have read they start snapping the output shaft once you dip into the 9's not saying its def going to happen but the chances are high. if I was to build a mean boss for drag racing/DD I would do the following:
TT hellion kit
upgrade the rods and pistions lower the compression a little to around 9.5
drop in a t-56 xl
go to a return style fuel system
crank up the boost and have wicked fun.

then turn the boost controller down for DD duties....

 

[LindsayEOD]

The '12 Shelby is NOTHING at all like the Boss's. Its tough to describe just how big of a difference there is. I was all about the '12 GT500s until I got to test drive one before I purchased it. I was just really disappointed. Its great straight line, but it is HEAVY. If you are going to do the 1/4 mile thing a lot, the 500 would be the way to go. Its easy to get in the low 11's/high 10's. Thats about all they are good at, IMO. The Boss's are the best bang for performance buck there is. Period. Best of luck to you. Do you have any pics of all these mods? Im kindof curious about em.

I dont see how a heavy car would be the go to car for the drag strip. the 5.0 is just the better engine IMO 8lbs of boost on a boss will walk a 12 gt500 with 8lbs of boost at the track. and with either car if you want to get crazy with boost you will end up building the bottom end in either ride so my choice all day long would be the boss. the boss is one of the reasons why they had to go nuts with the 13 gt500.

I dont know man. Its just so easy to get the 11-12 Shelby's fast in the 1/4. Its just my personal opinion. Im not a 1/4 mile guy as I've only been to a couple events. Not my thing. Just most of the guys I know that drag love the 500's with a tune/pulley/exhaust mod.

Give this article a read it might shed some light on what I am saying. the boss motor flows more air and bigger cams etc so it will only make more power.

http://www.mustang50magazine.com/techarticles/m5lp_1105_ford_mustang_kenne_bell_supercharger_5_0_coyote_vs_5_4_condor/viewall.html

You are also forgetting the fact of the MT82. It is going to have some serious issues with all that power. Why do you think the fastest coyotes are running autos? The Tremec can handle that power well. The Getrag is eventually going to fail. The Roadrunner is quite possibly one of the best engines an American auto maker has made, but we are comparing a Boss to a GT500 which is the whole vehicle.

oh agreed but if you want to get real serious about drag racing the trans would have to go in favor a built automatic.

these mt-82's seem good to me.......fotuneatly ive had no issues
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpYJRSus2ns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=bRH55UtXfV0&NR=1

I agree that most MT82s are good. However, some are not. Im not saying that the Tremecs are perfect, but they are more reliable. The Getrag was designed to a certain amount of power (It was in the 400's I think) and when you start putting 500-600 hp through them, some are going to give. The Tremec starts out with that amount from the factory so you will be able to get more out of it, theoretically.

 

[Justin]

Oh bench racing is fun

Either way you go both will be wicked cars

 

[LindsayEOD]

from what I have read they start snapping the output shaft once you dip into the 9's not saying its def going to happen but the chances are high. if I was to build a mean boss for drag racing/DD I would do the following:
TT hellion kit
upgrade the rods and pistions lower the compression a little to around 9.5
drop in a t-56 xl
go to a return style fuel system
crank up the boost and have wicked fun.

then turn the boost controller down for DD duties....
[/quote]
Im with you on the TT's. I would have Ken Bjonnes/Lund and PBH do mine though. Lowering that compression is a must too.
I think you should do it and take me for a ride ;D

 

[LindsayEOD]

Oh bench racing is fun

Either way you go both will be wicked cars

Agreed.
Sorry to the OP for going crazy on his thread. Im done for now.

 

[jeepinocala]

I only plan on 8psi and will never see 9's

 

[Justin]

Im with you on the TT's. I would have Ken Bjonnes/Lund and PBH do mine though. Lowering that compression is a must too.
I think you should do it and take me for a ride ;D

oh one day...one day. I am trying so hard to leave the car alone as it is but the mod bug is starting to win me over again. I need to fix my beater and drive it everyday to work as I am getting used to (read bored) with the power the boss makes stock.

 

[Justin]

I only plan on 8psi and will never see 9's

you answered you own question. I would go with a FI boss be it PD, Centi or Turbo. It will have cat like reflexes if/when you want plus oodles of power for the ladies

 

[Justin]

Oh bench racing is fun

Either way you go both will be wicked cars

Agreed.
Sorry to the OP for going crazy on his thread. Im done for now.

lol I am on duty (stuck on the ship with nothing to do) so this is a great time killer.

maybe we should start a bench racing thread? titled the "ultimate boss" you list the mods of your ultimate boss if money was no object

 

[302BOB]

Justin, You're in charge of our defense...........Keep my Boss safe!

 

[VoodooBoss]

Jeep, stop screwing around and get one of these:

http://www.fordracingparts.com/cobrajet/default.asp

;D

 

[LindsayEOD]

^Not bad advice

 

[jeepinocala]

Jeep, stop screwing around and get one of these:

http://www.fordracingparts.com/cobrajet/default.asp

;D

If this were a pole you would win but no that would not be a good one to go to work in a few days a week

 

[LindsayEOD]

Jeep: Which route are you going?

 

[06GT to 13LS]

I would say that if you a set X amount of dollars to spend, go with the Boss. I would think if you spent up to the X level including the cost of the vehicle, you would get more out of it than spending the same total dollar amount buying the GT500. Just my 2 pennies.

 

[blk12svt]

Really nothing has changed since 1969 when the choice was either a Boss 302 or Boss 429 as they are different animals with different applications.

If you plan to track the car on a road course then a Boss 302 was the logical choice in 1969 and in 2012. If you want to feel the thrill of driving a Pro Stock dragster then go with the Boss 9 or Shelby.

Since heat soak is an issue with blowers then whatever gain you make in HP putting a blower on a Boss would seem counterproductive to me by about the third lap.

 

[jeepinocala]

I took some time to go really check out the gt500. It is a nice tough looking car and I am impressed but for the money I could do so much more to my boss and I still think the boss is more of a race car. Dont get me wrong the gt500 I looked at is a 2012 with 5500 miles so it is almost new and has all of the comfort features like leather but a few things threw me off a bit, It just did not give me the feel that I get next to the boss it is like you are closer to a race car. Another thing that bothered me and may have been the one that stopped me is it has synk or as me and my wife say sunk ;D her 2011 f150 has sunk in it and let me tell you she complains about it all the time. You get a call it disconnects or they cant hear you I have had plenty of people say it sounds terrible and this has been our only complaint of the f150 so I was laughing when I found out the boss did not have it, laughing in joy 100%. Ok so I am now looking at all of the routes of supercharging some seem to have a purchase plan of a drive train warranty. I do not know if it is worth getting but I am sure ford will void mine.

http://gainesvilleford.net/Gainesville-Florida/For-Sale/Used/Ford/Mustang/2012-Shelby-GT500-Black-Car/9472913/


Here is what I am considering so far---

http://www.magnacharger.com/p-89-mustang-gt-50-2011-2012-magnacharger-supercharger-blue.aspx

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new/mc/superchargers/fuel_injected_street.shtml

http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/global_item.php?gik=261

http://www.roushperformance.com/parts/Mustang-Supercharger-Kit-2011-2012.html

http://www.kennebell.net/KBWebsite/SC_pg/Mustang%205.0%20(2011)/layouts/Mustang2011.htm

http://www.procharger.com/

I am sure there are more manufacturers I am just getting started on this research. they all seem to think they have the best unit so this will be taunting as I am first going to my local track to check some out. Gainesville drag strip there should be a few there. Also wanted to note I have a great local procharger dealer that has proven themselves to pretty much everyone around. They are-- http://rollinsautomotiveinc.com/ Take a few and check them out I feel confident this would be a tiny project for them while I am at work right down the road from them.