It might seem like a lot but when you have a track day that is non refundable it lets you get out and learn driving skills inthe wet. I'd check back or search around for them. I run 295F/305R in the rain.
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steveespo
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Rain is a very judgement based thing. Practice is needed if testing for a race or other competition for sure. But risk reward has to be factored in. Some tracks are pretty decent in wet or damp conditions. Some are treacherous. Mid Ohio even post repave is very tricky, Watkins is decent. The unforgiving off tracks in the dry become more so in the wet. Road Atlanta esses and Turn 12 come to mind for me. I may start a thread to discuss outside of this one.
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Turn 12 scares me in the dry, but I am new.
My avatar is just after the esses and starting up turn 5.
Racing in the rain is a scary thought for me, but this car is my daily driver, and the nicest, most expensive car I have ever owned, so . . .
Bill Pemberton
0ld Ford Automotive Racing Terror
Having tracked/autocrossed Spec Miatas, Vipers, various Mustangs, Cayman GTS and a boatload of other vehicles (Hondas, Mazdas, etc. ) I can honestly say the simple modifier on tires is simply , Wider is better!" Sure it is a blanket statement but on virtually every car, with varying weights obviously, a wider tire not only helped with g forces it gave me better tire wear. It was more apparent with the heavier cars, but it carries across the board. The Mustang which comes with tiny rubber from the factory is such an easy example and it is so obvious wider rubber is key especially when going to events with other Mustang drivers. The Fast Ford and Mustang Roundup, which sees anywhere from 30 to 60 track rats every year in Hastings is just one example as over the past 15 years of the event drivers saw constantly that wider wheels , wider tires was the key to winning awards because across the board it was apparent the fastest drivers were on more rubber. Observation is key to figuring out what seems to work the best, reading the articles from solid sources, but also simply noting what the very fastest drivers are using.
In the words of Blacksheep 1, the TMO Guru of racing tires and bad backs, he will repeat over and over that the tires that come on Mustangs are simply too tiny, not the most efficacious and that the best tires for wear, speed , and control are always those with a bigger footprint on the ground. Considering he spent a few centuries changing tires on Professional and winning Amateur Race Teams take his simple advice. Also if you have an S197 please don't ask him what he thinks of a Watts Link set-up ------- he don't be liking them, ha!
In the words of Blacksheep 1, the TMO Guru of racing tires and bad backs, he will repeat over and over that the tires that come on Mustangs are simply too tiny, not the most efficacious and that the best tires for wear, speed , and control are always those with a bigger footprint on the ground. Considering he spent a few centuries changing tires on Professional and winning Amateur Race Teams take his simple advice. Also if you have an S197 please don't ask him what he thinks of a Watts Link set-up ------- he don't be liking them, ha!
130 laps - how many HPDE days, if you can answer?
Also, since it sounds like you drive to the track, what sort of alignment settings do you use?
Feel free to read through my build thread for what I'm doing with the car.
My tracks are around 3 km per lap so 130 laps = 390 km or 242 miles of track driving.
Since I run 19x11 wheels I need maximum camber upfront to be able to tuck the wheel in the fender aka -3.2 front or so. I run around -1.5 rear and I like running some toe-out front -0.25 total and toe-in rear at 0.25.
I'm currently the Fastest Mustang on my local tracks in the Balkans but there are not a lot of Mustangs running on tracks here.
Hope this helps.
Bill Pemberton
0ld Ford Automotive Racing Terror
bnight ( better known as the " Beast from the Balkans " ) is a solid contributor and gives folks an idea what is working in his part of the World.
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thanks speaking of my parts of the Balkans you might also want to visit my Build thread
Mad Hatter
Gotta go Faster
Just to put this into context.... Since Chinese made tires arrive here pretty much tariff free. It costs me about US$1250 for a set of P1's in 315/30-18. vs a US$ 2800 for set of R7's. Would perfer the Hoosiers any day. But then again, I would prefer to be taller and less bald as well.
Thanks for the recommendation for a good read. I have started reading that thread.
I don't see an option for that size from Tire Rack, but for 315/30R19.
$2968 Hoosier R7
$1996 for Vitour TEMPESTA P1 P-01R in 315/30R18.
$3056 for the new Hoosier R8 in 315/30R19, but you can back that price down to $2596 if you use the 295/30R19, which have a tread width of 10.9" and would probably work better with 19 x 11" wheels in my Dark Horse wheel wells, anyway.
Revisiting as i “think” my trafeos will last one more day. Then the search begins.
Are you sticking to the stock wheels or running something else?
I’ll use the stock wheels for now i bought a set of forged ones with some rain/street tires so i can have 2 sets. Might go to an 11 up front with 315’s all around rotatable would be a good set imo following then”bigger is better” mantra
The host of this thread, bossdog, seems to have disappeared on us last December.
We should probably try to keep this chart updated for others as a reference and maybe expand the sizes from 295 and 305 to include 315.
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| brand | model | 295 | 305 | price | UTQG |
| Bridgestone | Potenza RE-71RS | 30 sq | 2000 | 200 | |
| Bridgestone | Potenza RE-71RZ | 30 sq | 2140 | 200 | |
| Contenintal | ExtremeContact Force | 30 sq | 1700 | 200 | |
| Falken | Azenis RT660+ | 35 sq | 30 sq | 1800 | 200 |
| Goodyear | Eagle F1 Supercar 3 | 30 | 30 | 2100 | 220 |
| Michelin | Pilot Sport Cup 2 | 30 | 30 | 2300 | 240 |
| Nankang | Sportnex CR-S | 30 | 30 | 1700 | 200 |
| Vitour | Tempesta P1 P-01R | 30 | 30 | 1900 | 200 |
| Goodyear | Eagle F1 Supercar 3R | 30 sq | 1800 | 100 | |
| Nitto | NT01 | 30 sq | 2340 | 100 | |
| Pirelli | P Zero Trofeo R | 30 | 30 | 2500 | 60 |
| Pirelli | Trofeo Track | 30 | 2485 | 40 | |
| Toyo | Proxy R | 30sq | 30 | 1400 | 40 |
| PP2 wheels 10.5x11 | |||||
| BC Forged 10x10.5 | |||||
| both wheels |
There. I added the Trofeo Track, second tire from bottom, but I could not figure out how to add a cell for 315. They do not have a 295. 305 is probably the best size for our cars, anyway, as Tire Rack says it has a 10.9" tread width mounted on an 11" wheel.
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Bill Pemberton
0ld Ford Automotive Racing Terror
There are numerous better choices, both in price and performance than the ancient Schitto NT-01s --- whoops , sorry but that slipped out.
You might add Yokohama A052s and BFG Rival S 1.5s.
You might add Yokohama A052s and BFG Rival S 1.5s.
Things are getting slippery in the mojave…..
I think i am going to make it on my factory tires…..
Other mustangers suggest toyo RR as long lasting value in the heavy cars
I think i am going to make it on my factory tires…..
Other mustangers suggest toyo RR as long lasting value in the heavy cars
NANKANG SPORTNEX CR-S
Has anybody here run these? What do you think of them? How did they perform? How long did they last? They are one of the cheaper tires bossdog listed.
200tw tire test | Revised Nankang Sportnex CR-S
Testing the revised Nankang Sportnex CR-S against the Bridgestone Potenza RE-71RS and the Yokohama Advan A052.
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Video the slippery laps and post them up here on this web site on the lap thread for us to be entertained!
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