Camber plates - which ones to get

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  1. kart125

    kart125 TMO Intermediate

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    This is the first time I'm tackling suspension mods on a car... I've always stopped at tune/ CAI/mufflers!

    I'm considering Camber/Caster plates to make adjustments more in line with FP's recommandation easily.


    I would like to know pros/cons between

    Vorschlag
    https://vorshlag-store.com/collections/s550-mustang-suspension/products/vorshlag-s550-2015-up-mustang-camber-caster-plates-oem-perches
    529$

    MM
    http://www.maximummotorsports.com/Mustang-Caster-Camber-Plates-2015-P1480.aspx
    247$

    Any other product I should consider?

    Thank you!

    Louis
     
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    I know Vorshlag put a lot of thought in their design in order to have a very large bearing. I think it's hard to compare from the pictures.

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    Thanks for your input. It seems Vorschlag has more adjutments, but I would not go over FP recommandation.
     
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    The only disadvantage to the Vorshlag plates is price. They appear to be top quality like all of their CC plates.

    Several of us use the MM plates as they were the only ones that were available early on. They have less adjustability but have enough for my needs using SC2's or Trefeo R tires. If you are going to run Hoosiers or slicks on a regular basis I'd look at the Vorshlag plates. @Black Boss may have a different perspective on this as he's using Hoosier R7's on his R.

    Just checked and I have my CC plates set to -1.80 left and right and my SC2's are wearing very evenly.

    https://trackmustangsonline.com/index.php?topic=10246.0
     
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    I'm happy enough with my MM plates, particularly for the price. I adjust them all the way in for the track and that gives me at least -2 degrees of camber. Very happy with the tire wear as well on MPSS.
     
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    I'm going to run PSC2 with R springs. I dont intend on running slicks... I looked at both websites. They both look like quality products, but a lot more R&D in the Vorschlag. I'll be doing the install and both sites provide clear instructions. Is there one that is easier to setup/adjust?
     
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    I know Vorshlag had very good instructions (they used my car) but I can't find them after they redid their website.

    They are probably both about the same to install or adjust. The Vorshlag plates use their own perch while the others likely reuse the stock spring perch.

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    I'm probably going to pull the trigger on the Vorshlag and do everything at once (R springs/sway bar, SS brake lines, brake bleed, Caliperfexion studs...)
     
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    The MM plates provide more than enough adjustment to meet the FP specs. I'm running -2.1 on slicks and they work great.
     
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    thanks for your input! Great to see you like them with the beast /slicks you have!
     
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    Install instructions for S550 https://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Instructions/Camber-Plate-Install-Mustang/

    Instructions for S197 https://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Instructions/S197-Mustang-camber-plates/
     
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    You're welcome. The MM plates ship with very clear instructions. I'm planning to use them on my Race Car build too.
     
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    Used M&M on both my Bosses and super pleased with them. High quality , reasonable price and good camber adjustment. Only other plates I have heard about are Ground Control and though I have seen their setup for other cars , have not actually seen one on a Mustang.
     
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    Have gotten 4 sets of MM camber plates for club cars (S197 and S550)..... Installed by Three shops and ALL of them installed them wrong.... I re-did mine myself and found the instructions super simple. Maybe if the instructions had been in Capital letters.. :'(

    (actually they were installed "ok"....but with camber plate wrong way round so you could get lots of positive camber....)

    Once they were installed right, they have had zero problems.
     
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    I've installed J&M CC plates on a couple late model Mustangs, including my GT500. Excellent product IMHO.

    UPDATE: Sorry, just saw this was an S550 section. Looks like they do have them for 2015-17 models, but no experience with them in an S550.
     
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    You are making all the right moves!

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    Just ordered the MM plates... price was right and they will provide more than enough adjustment for my need. Now I'm waiting for the R springs and FP lowering springs to arrive...
     
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    I have a set of MM plates in a box waiting to be installed later this year.

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    A bit of a thread revival here, but I’m also in the market for camber plates now for a Base ‘17 GT with stock suspension as I just installed a 19x9.5” + 275/40R19 square setup. So I’m eager to optimize and preserve my new tires for 3-4 HPDE’s in the upcoming year.

    My concern with these consensus camber plate options (i.e. MM, Vorshlag, BMR, etc) is with their metal on metal spherical bearing designs. I’ve had some interior squeaks and rattles since my car had ~500 miles on it (and they worsened a bit with the addition of strut Tower brace + cowl support), and so I may be more sensitive than most to any mods that will transmit more NVH to the cabin.

    So it seems like the Ground Control Street version plates might be my best option? Anything else out there that I’m missing? I’m planning to run stock struts for the foreseeable future so I can focus time and money on some braking and cooling improvements.

    https://www.apexraceparts.com/suspe...reet-camber-plates-for-ford-s550-mustang.html

    From Apex: “They use a urethane bushing instead of a solid metal bearing to support the strut, so they transmit far less noise, vibration, and harshness (NVH) vs. the Race plates. If you want negative camber without the metal-on-metal suspension feel, these are right for you.”
     
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    I have a 2016 GT350 Track Pack and I swapped to Vorshlag camber plates initially, and they were excellent. Vorshlag claims that they don't introduce NVH, and my experience is that that claim is true. However, while they don't produce noise of their own, their metal-to-metal design provides a conduit for NVH that originates elsewhere, so you hear more road noise. I switched to Steeda camber plates because they reuse the factory rubberized spring isolator. They too are excellent quality and they gave me a quieter ride with no loss of handling.
     
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