Jay Leno reviews his GTD

[blacksheep-1]

FYI

 

[Dave_W]

Great video with Max & Harris. I think a lot of the conversation boils down to "What's the proper racing line?" "It depends."

Forget the GTD, I'll take an RS200, please.

 

[Bill Pemberton]

Great video and so cool to have a real Gearhead running Ford. I hope some of you are considering going to the Fast Ford and Mustang Roundup in Hastings, Ne. this September ( if not sign up asap ) since there will be at least one GTD there - you read right at least one, meaning there may even be a couple. It will be run on track also, so not just there to ogle, and who knows what else may happen as there always seems to be surprises at this event.

JDee, I would not give up hope as what you are experiencing occurs with every Manufacturer since the bombardment that occurs with folks wanting a special vehicle means most of them are requesting machines late in the process. Most customers say they inquired early but having sold performance vehicles for most of my time while in the Industry it was super common for some of my best customers to call me well after an entire allotment was sold out. The supply was so super low that it was impossible to please even the best customers. Heck, I had a couple of Billionaires who could not get machines as the run was just done, so keep requesting and you will likely get lucky the second or third time around. Persistence is the game and it was common for some of my customers who were large collectors to not get in on the first runs. Don't take it personal, the onslaught is beyond what most consumers would expect and it consumed many of my days just soothing past buyers and working for them on a future purchase. Many gave up, so persistence is really the key and whether Ford, Porsche, Dodge ( Demons and Vipers ), Chevy, etc. the supply is so minimal it is not only difficult to contact everyone ( since those in charge of small high profile projects are a tiny population of workers within the companies ) the time needed is not available. Hang in there and do contact a Dealer who is well versed and heavy into Performance, since there is relatively little chance a little dealer focusing on SUVs will even see a GTD. Hang in there my friend. I heard from an old friend who has a car collection of over 100 cars that he never got a response on a GTD, and I reminded him it took him almost 2 years to get a Ford GT, so he needed to keep bugging the Mgr. I had help him. Who knows how long they may build the GTD, but become a pest, it can work at times, ha!

 

[302BOB]

become a pest, it can work

The squeaky wheel gets the oil........The quiet one never will.....................Back when I ordered my Boss in April 2011, the allocation/delivery date was scheduled for December, but I constantly nagged the dealer to get it sooner and it worked.....I got my Boss October 5th..............

 

[bnight]

Money's not my issue, I could buy a GTD and it wouldn't put much of a dent in my net worth. Not bragging, just stating facts.

The issue is they won't sell me one, and as a long time Ford buyer that pisses me off. My wife has a C8 'vette, nice car, good handling, 8 speed DCT, lots of tech and a hell of a bargain for the price, makes way more sense than the cost of a GTD.

In the last 3 years I've bought 7 new Fords, both trucks and cars. I bought 3 new Fords this year for me and my family, picking the 3rd one up next week. Plus the amount of time spent at track days making Ford look good. My car is always one of the fastest and people know they can ask me anything and I'm always willing to help. It is not uncommon that I have a line of people waiting to ask me questions.

It's Ford's loss, not mine. I just bought a new loaded Escape PHEV, that might be the last Ford I ever buy.

The problem is there are this guys like Leno and the one in this video:

That have 3 allocations instead of 1 because they own like a ton of Ford GT's. My understanding is that if you don't own a Ford GT the odds of you getting one are practically not existent especially if in your market there is someone who happens to own a Ford GT. Bulgaria allocation actually went to the guy who owns a Ford GT. So yeah unless you are a Ford collector very slim chances.

 

[Bill Pemberton]

Whether fair or not this is pretty much the same across the board with Manufacturers ---- Ferrari and Porsche are easy examples to list. The fairness is always frustrating, yet early examples of highly sought after vehicles usually goes to those who already own the product. This drives those who have said product crazy since someone else with the same Manufacturer gets a new machine and they do not. Simply a supply and demand situation and it causes Sales Professionals crazy too, as the first allocations are always a nightmare. As noted prior, persistence is the key and since many simply give up, while others strive to figure all the various markets they might be able to address. I have a ton of sympathy, yet as noted I had incidences over the years where CEOs of Major Companies could not get something, even with their name recognition because everything was already spoken for. Hopefully Ford will see the demand and build more over the coming years --- year one is always insane!!

 

[Mike_FL]

Here’s How Much the Wild Ford Mustang GTD Will Be, and How to Get One

Spoiler alert: it won’t be cheap, and it won’t be easy, to get your hands on the ultimate evolution of Ford’s iconic pony car.

www.motortrend.com

Taken from the link above

Ford also wants to know more about your car collection, with the unspoken subtext that being a big demonstrable Blue Oval diehard might inch you up on the list. If you’re an influencer, Ford wants to know the extent of your reach and the specific ways in which you shape public opinion. So on, and so forth. The actual selection criteria aren’t, of course, disclosed, but this is a much more intensive vetting process than the typical preorder. As Ford tells us, it's a lot like the Ford GT ordering process, which was selective and was almost more like applying to be a “Ford brand ambassador” than a car owner.

I know of an ‘influencer’ (hate that phrase) who’s got an allocation but hasn’t got the $$$. I’m sure they’re will be a few more in a similar position

 

[JDee]

Or I can just go get a C8 from the dealer 5 mins from my house.

'Vette ZR1 at $175K seems like a hell of a lot better deal than what Ford wants for their car. And John Q Public might actually be able to buy one without having to play Ford's games. It supposedly makes 1,064 ponies.....

I'm liking 'vettes more and more all the time, wife's base C8 was a hell of a deal and is a seriously good car, far better than the earlier cars, some of which were real crapwagons.

 

[Mike_FL]

Sounds like you didn’t really want one then

 

[JDee]

No, you're wrong about that. I did want one, but clearly it's not in the cards so I move on.
Lots of other companies selling fast cars that are happy to take my money.

 

[Mike_FL]

There’s a new GT2 RS coming next year ;-)


Probably won’t be easy to get one of them either lol

 

[JDee]

There’s a new GT2 RS coming next year ;-)


Probably won’t be easy to get one of them either lol

That's a Porsche? Wouldn't buy one, I prefer to support our North American economy. Right now I will only buy Ford or GM. There's a C8 in my garage sitting beside the Dark Horse.

My old man had a Porsche 356 in 1961. It was a big deal back then but cost diddly compared to what they go for now. It was not much of a car either, a warmed over beetle at best. That car taints my thinking on Porsche to this day no matter how much the car mags rave on about them. It really wasn't much of a car.

 

[Mike_FL]

lol ok, have a great day

 

[Fat Boss]

The problem is there are this guys like Leno and the one in this video:

That have 3 allocations instead of 1 because they own like a ton of Ford GT's. My understanding is that if you don't own a Ford GT the odds of you getting one are practically not existent especially if in your market there is someone who happens to own a Ford GT. Bulgaria allocation actually went to the guy who owns a Ford GT. So yeah unless you are a Ford collector very slim chances.

I'm pretty sure he didn't get 3 allocations. He's tied in with Ford and cars get moved through his facility for various reasons. I'm sending mine to him to get PPF'd, and he coordinates with Ford to have the car go there, stay for the paint cure and film, then Ford delivers it.

As for the process, who knows. I have very little influence, as confirmed by my dog's behavior. Some folks got allocations without even doing the video. Some got allocations simply due to their history with the company. And others got screwed, IMO.

 

[Bill Pemberton]

C8s had the same issue when they first came out, and it is hard not to take things personal when we want something, we all understand that. If someone really wants a special vehicle my simple suggestion is keep trying , things break loose in time.

 

[honeybadger]

I find the hoopla around the GTD pretty interesting...especially given the ZR1's record last week. The Ford GTD is designed and made by Multimatic, is unobtainable, cost 15x the price of its base car, and took a Rolex 24hr winner AND a Nürburgring native to get close to the lap record of a car with almost half the power.

Meanwhile, the ZR1 is half the price, built by Chevy itself, will be obtainable for those with enough dough, and beat the GTD with a engineer who built the car in the driver's seat. That's about as American as it gets.

 

[biggsy]

The problem is there are this guys like Leno and the one in this video:

That have 3 allocations instead of 1 because they own like a ton of Ford GT's. My understanding is that if you don't own a Ford GT the odds of you getting one are practically not existent especially if in your market there is someone who happens to own a Ford GT. Bulgaria allocation actually went to the guy who owns a Ford GT. So yeah unless you are a Ford collector very slim chances.

Surprisingly, that does not seem to be the case completely. There are quite a few “regular” folk who don’t have a GT that got an allocation. I do agree that if you were selected when the GT was released then your chances are greater but again quite a few people received GTD allocation that to my knowledge don’t have a GT.

I would like to think when they decided the roll out, they figured how many of their special customers would be a lock in for the car.

 

[bnight]

I find the hoopla around the GTD pretty interesting...especially given the ZR1's record last week. The Ford GTD is designed and made by Multimatic, is unobtainable, cost 15x the price of its base car, and took a Rolex 24hr winner AND a Nürburgring native to get close to the lap record of a car with almost half the power.

Meanwhile, the ZR1 is half the price, built by Chevy itself, will be obtainable for those with enough dough, and beat the GTD with a engineer who built the car in the driver's seat. That's about as American as it gets.

The GTD is a special car in the same way a Ford GT is a lot of people made a ton of money with the GT granted that had the Le Mans win to back prices up. And even though the prices are now falling a bit on the Ford GT's they will probably continue to go up in value. I'm sure back in the day the same discussion was going on for something like a Miaura or a Boss 429 but this cars are now collectors items and they move prices up every time they sell. This is the hope with the GTD the Nurburgring time is just an icing on the cake.

Here we all know the limitations of the S550 chassis for track use: aka heavy car with not enough brake force in the world to make it stop and not enough suspension to make it turn. Also by today standards 800 hp is not a lot considering most cars are way over 4000 lbs in the case of the GTD 4300 lbs. Does it prove that pigs do fly though ?

I had no doubt the ZR1 will beat the GTD considering it broke lap records on 5 American tracks with just the development drivers. Saying that this are simple enginieers and not professional drivers is an understatement though one of them was doing Nurburgring Industry pulls for 20 years which mean he have extensive knowledge of the Nurburgring. Ether way the ZR1 is an insane car in any little detail.

Considering normal people can't drive the Nurburgring in sub 7 Minutes (look at how MR. JW attempts are going) and that most collectors don't drive the cars at all. The only thing that matters for the GTD price is will Ford win at Le Mans which to be fair so far looks like a big No.

 

[Bill Pemberton]

I have to applaud Farley , just like I have for Tim Kuniskis ( now head of Ram ) who was the Brand Manager behind the Dodge Demon and other mean and nasty Chargers and Challengers. Alot of these special vehicles have been in short supply but the fact that they are being built by car guys should make us all happy these are the kind of leaders we have in the Automotive Industry in the US. Farley mentioned Porsche often since they are well known for doing reasonably short runs of special vehicles and if this portends a continual process of special machines at Ford I am all for it. It really is kind of nice to think of the list of unobtainium vechicles for most of us is not just a list of Ferraris , Lambos, etc. it can include the Mustang GTD.

Reminder --- one or two will be at the Fast Fords and Mustang Roundup the first week of Sept. in Hastings, Ne. so sign up to run on track with them. www.racemph.com

 

[honeybadger]

The GTD is a special car in the same way a Ford GT is a lot of people made a ton of money with the GT granted that had the Le Mans win to back prices up. And even though the prices are now falling a bit on the Ford GT's they will probably continue to go up in value. I'm sure back in the day the same discussion was going on for something like a Miaura or a Boss 429 but this cars are now collectors items and they move prices up every time they sell. This is the hope with the GTD the Nurburgring time is just an icing on the cake.

Here we all know the limitations of the S550 chassis for track use: aka heavy car with not enough brake force in the world to make it stop and not enough suspension to make it turn. Also by today standards 800 hp is not a lot considering most cars are way over 4000 lbs in the case of the GTD 4300 lbs. Does it prove that pigs do fly though ?

I had no doubt the ZR1 will beat the GTD considering it broke lap records on 5 American tracks with just the development drivers. Saying that this are simple enginieers and not professional drivers is an understatement though one of them was doing Nurburgring Industry pulls for 20 years which mean he have extensive knowledge of the Nurburgring. Ether way the ZR1 is an insane car in any little detail.

Considering normal people can't drive the Nurburgring in sub 7 Minutes (look at how MR. JW attempts are going) and that most collectors don't drive the cars at all. The only thing that matters for the GTD price is will Ford win at Le Mans which to be fair so far looks like a big No.

I mean, an original Boss 429 was under 5k during its time - less than 2x the cost of a V8 fastback. Not sure that's a great comparison. I have no doubt it will be collectible - but only to the top 1% that can afford it. Just like the new Ford GTs. zero interest in those from me. that's not a tax bracket I play in nor do I care to spend my money on something that costs that much just to put it in a garage. If I had that much money, I'd go play in the Mustang Cup

I'm not doubting the performance the GTD puts down. Impressive for a street vehicle for sure. but I find the price tag revolting and I'm not a fan of the culture it creates (unobtainable, collector-owned, etc.).