GTD Curb Weight Released

[Fabman]

Well we know @treynor is getting one and we also know he will use every available ounce of performance it has to offer so at least we will get to see some lap videos of it doing what it was meant for.

He's a unicorn for sure.

 

[cholmes1]

Not sure how you reached that conclusion. The data submitted to the EPA came from Ford with the expectation that it is legitimate. It would make no sense to inflate the weight number. The only way it could vary, and by a very small amount at that, is if you option (or don't option) content that includes a fiber panel.

A reasonable question. “It is important to note that all the reported figures for Ford's latest pony cars in these EPA filings seem a little bit high, however. The filing lists the curb weight for the new Mustang EcoBoost Performance Pack at 3920 lbs, while C/D tested that car closer to 3812 lbs. The government also lists a generic 5.0-liter equipped car at 4113 lbs, where the Dark Horse and GT models have been weighed in at 3975 lbs and 3947 lbs, respectively.”

 

[honeybadger]

I'm super curious to see how the future of the GTD holds given what the C8 ZR1 is doing already. Those times already posted are BONKERS and well ahead of the competition. It set a 2:08 at Road America and I think the new GT3RS had that production lap record at a 2:13.8 set by a Cup driver.

At Road America, I'm sure the GTD will be able to keep up/beat a GT3RS (unlike at the 'Ring where handling matters more), but I'm seriously confused by the GTD. I would expect that to be built by Shelby American if Ford had given them the budget.

Fastest Mustang for sure and would be absolutely baller for 150-175k. But 300k and 4k+ lbs? that's downright appalling.

Of course - Ford did the same with the Ford GT. 300-400k price tag and it was slower than similar mclarens and the like. The Ford GT mk 2-4 are some of the coolest race car/track day toys ever built.

'll end my diatribe with this - I think I need to quit viewing Ford's halo cars as anything other than cars built for collectors. The race car variants are undeniably killer. But the street car versions always disappoint me. Chevy does that part better, IMHO.

 

[Bouncing Soul]

The car has a ton of nice parts which took a lot of engineering time to make, and I’ve heard it suggested by a couple of friends in the industry Ford probably doesn’t make money on the fully loaded cost of these cars. I went back through the GTD site last night and it really does have a ton of trick (expensive) stuff that is one off.

They haven’t quite hit the mark I think people might have been hoping for, and as a product guy it has me questioning why, but I agree with the poster above who said it wasn’t built for you if you’re weighing cost/benefit.

It will be very interesting to see how they do in the resale market.

 

[Tob]

A reasonable question. “It is important to note that all the reported figures for Ford's latest pony cars in these EPA filings seem a little bit high, however. The filing lists the curb weight for the new Mustang EcoBoost Performance Pack at 3920 lbs, while C/D tested that car closer to 3812 lbs. The government also lists a generic 5.0-liter equipped car at 4113 lbs, where the Dark Horse and GT models have been weighed in at 3975 lbs and 3947 lbs, respectively.”

With the bulk of the data being supplied by the manufacturer, I tend to favor that of Ford here over Car & Driver. EPA's rules typically defer to worst case and that would include establishing a curb weight figure. With respect to a specific case, such as that of the EB PP, I'd have to see the factory HVBOM (Bill of Materials) list to see exactly how the vehicle was equipped that Ford weighed vs that of C&D. But again, manufacturer's are forced to go full fatty in this regard. I see nowhere in C&D's test metrics where they are bound to do the same.

 

[Scootsmcgreggor]

'll end my diatribe with this - I think I need to quit viewing Ford's halo cars as anything other than cars built for collectors. The race car variants are undeniably killer. But the street car versions always disappoint me. Chevy does that part better, IMHO.

I think you hit the nail squarely on the head here. Its a collectors car from initial design through to production, and we're looking at it through the wrong lens.

 

[mavisky]

I'm super curious to see how the future of the GTD holds given what the C8 ZR1 is doing already. Those times already posted are BONKERS and well ahead of the competition. It set a 2:08 at Road America and I think the new GT3RS had that production lap record at a 2:13.8 set by a Cup driver.

At Road America, I'm sure the GTD will be able to keep up/beat a GT3RS (unlike at the 'Ring where handling matters more), but I'm seriously confused by the GTD. I would expect that to be built by Shelby American if Ford had given them the budget.

Fastest Mustang for sure and would be absolutely baller for 150-175k. But 300k and 4k+ lbs? that's downright appalling.

Of course - Ford did the same with the Ford GT. 300-400k price tag and it was slower than similar mclarens and the like. The Ford GT mk 2-4 are some of the coolest race car/track day toys ever built.

'll end my diatribe with this - I think I need to quit viewing Ford's halo cars as anything other than cars built for collectors. The race car variants are undeniably killer. But the street car versions always disappoint me. Chevy does that part better, IMHO.

Those laptimes are absolutely bonkers and set by their engineers. They don't exactly have Tommy Milner out there at all these tracks. That could find a few seconds at some of these courses alone.

GTD should beat the GT3RS on a course like Road America, COTA, and probably even Road Atlanta where it will gain back significant time on any of the uphill sections/straights. The ZR1 will unfortunately do the same to the GTD at these tracks and walk away from it on those sections as well. Shelby American is just a bodykit/bolt-on blower company now. I don't think Ford could trust them to develop an in-house project the way Multimatic has. They may be able to handle the bodywork, but we'd have a whipple blown GT with Eibach suspension, off the shelf ARP aero, and AP/Brembo brakes as the GTD. They don't have the team available to be able to design the suspension, aero, or drivetrain revisions the way Multimatic does.

Ford lost money on every Ford GT they produced and the performance was never there. It seems to have garnered attention by being more "special" than the McLarens although being slower. Given the steel unibody is retained, this GTD should have cost double what the GT500 CFTP cost and no more in my opinion.

 

[Tob]

Shelby American is just a bodykit/bolt-on blower company now. I don't think Ford could trust them to develop an in-house project the way Multimatic has. They may be able to handle the bodywork, but we'd have a whipple blown GT with Eibach suspension, off the shelf ARP aero, and AP/Brembo brakes as the GTD. They don't have the team available to be able to design the suspension, aero, or drivetrain revisions the way Multimatic does.

Nailed it.

 

[honeybadger]

Those laptimes are absolutely bonkers and set by their engineers. They don't exactly have Tommy Milner out there at all these tracks. That could find a few seconds at some of these courses alone.

GTD should beat the GT3RS on a course like Road America, COTA, and probably even Road Atlanta where it will gain back significant time on any of the uphill sections/straights. The ZR1 will unfortunately do the same to the GTD at these tracks and walk away from it on those sections as well. Shelby American is just a bodykit/bolt-on blower company now. I don't think Ford could trust them to develop an in-house project the way Multimatic has. They may be able to handle the bodywork, but we'd have a whipple blown GT with Eibach suspension, off the shelf ARP aero, and AP/Brembo brakes as the GTD. They don't have the team available to be able to design the suspension, aero, or drivetrain revisions the way Multimatic does.

Ford lost money on every Ford GT they produced and the performance was never there. It seems to have garnered attention by being more "special" than the McLarens although being slower. Given the steel unibody is retained, this GTD should have cost double what the GT500 CFTP cost and no more in my opinion.

Nailed it.

Re: SA, that was kind of my point. The GTD is setting fairly impressive lap times, but launching a car that's 300k with double the HP and all the other fancy bits that weighs more and is still slower than a GT3RS, that's what i'd expect from SA, not multimatic.

I do think the GTD will beat an RS at Road America, but I have my doubts at COTA and Road Atlanta - especially COTA. those Porches are the perfect street car for COTA since they're fast "enough" on the straights and absolutely bonkers out of the low speed corners and untouchable through the technical bits. but that's just some bench racing.

Either way, I still stand by what I said - if you remove all the marketing around the engineering and look at the fundamentals, the GTD feels more like a SA product than multimatic - blower and all.

 

[CobaltFilly]

2020 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500	2020 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 CFTP
CURB WEIGHT	4,149 lb	4,054 lb

Here I am thinking my GT350 is fat AF at 4008 with me and 1/2 tank of fuel. Guess we are feeling slim now. HAH!

Good Lord, I might be down 170ish horsepower, but at 3,705 in my V6 with me and a full tank of fuel...holy cow batman that is some big weights ya'll are putting down!

 

[JDee]

<rant>
Even if Ford would sell me a GTD, and I already know they won't, I wouldn't touch it. It is grossly overweight and I absolutely hate fat cars. I don't know why Ford can't make a Mustang without the lard, it seems every new generation has gotten heavier and heavier. The Dark Horse is an absolute porker and even with the track pack option it feels sluggish.
My '11 GT weighed around 3600 lbs, the DH is just a few lbs under 4000. Way way way too fat.
I'm also not a fan of boosted cars for road course work, another reason I wouldn't touch the GTD.
If GM still made Camaros I'd buy a 1LE in a heartbeat, they weighed a relatively svelte 3750 and they were a very tough customer with a good driver.
</rant>