Suggest a manifold and throttle body combination

[bnight]

I went with the PP3 (GT350, CAI+TB+IM) and I'm super happy with that choice. The car is running up to 7500 rpm and it's performing great. The only big issue is the GT350 open air box is sucking hot air from the engine bay so that gives very high IAT on the street and in traffic. So my suggestion is consider a closed box CAI. Not sure why no one is making a closed box for the GT350 CAI but I suspect there is a huge market for that.

 

[biggsy]

I guess I was moreso thinking about the modifications they did to their cars. I don’t know how

I went with the PP3 (GT350, CAI+TB+IM) and I'm super happy with that choice. The car is running up to 7500 rpm and it's performing great. The only big issue is the GT350 open air box is sucking hot air from the engine bay so that gives very high IAT on the street and in traffic. So my suggestion is consider a closed box CAI. Not sure why no one is making a closed box for the GT350 CAI but I suspect there is a huge market for that.

the closed box for the 350 CAI is actually very popular. People make their own but AJ made a CF lid years ago. And also I’ve seen people use the GT500 kit sold by Levittown

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[Fabman]

I went with the PP3 (GT350, CAI+TB+IM) and I'm super happy with that choice. The car is running up to 7500 rpm and it's performing great. The only big issue is the GT350 open air box is sucking hot air from the engine bay so that gives very high IAT on the street and in traffic. So my suggestion is consider a closed box CAI. Not sure why no one is making a closed box for the GT350 CAI but I suspect there is a huge market for that.

As is mentioned in that video I posted, Ford has many great manifold options for the the coyote.
The GT350 is one of the best for sure, plus its low profile makes it a winner for many applications.
As far as the CAI goes, I believe @AJ Hartman makes a closed lid for that application. Hopefully he will chime in here and verify.


**EDIT** I didn't see the post above..... @biggsy has it in his post.

 

[GAR944]

Ported CJ for the win.

Because you suggested this, i have looked at Air Flow Solutions. Any issues or any other suggestions?

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[bnight]

As is mentioned in that video I posted, Ford has many great manifold options for the the coyote.
The GT350 is one of the best for sure, plus its low profile makes it a winner for many applications.
As far as the CAI goes, I believe @AJ Hartman makes a closed lid for that application. Hopefully he will chime in here and verify.


**EDIT** I didn't see the post above..... @biggsy has it in his post.

Isn't the CJ only beneficial if you do CAMS as well and plan to run over the 7500 rpm limit ? To an extend same goes for the GT350 intake both are options to have if you want to add hot cams down the line. I went with GT350 and ford map mostly because the EU/AUD cars have different ECU maps and I didn't wanted to deal with tuners but preferred something that is an easy bolt-on and will work close to stock aka increasing reliability over straight out performance.

 

[biggsy]

Because you suggested this, i have looked at Air Flow Solutions. Any issues or any other suggestions?

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Bret at AFS is great. He did my 2018 manifold back in 2019. I have a GT350 manifold boxed up to send him. Turnaround time was less than a week. I know you are international so it’ll take a bit longer.

 

[biggsy]

Isn't the CJ only beneficial if you do CAMS as well and plan to run over the 7500 rpm limit ? To an extend same goes for the GT350 intake both are options to have if you want to add hot cams down the line. I went with GT350 and ford map mostly because the EU/AUD cars have different ECU maps and I didn't wanted to deal with tuners but preferred something that is an easy bolt-on and will work close to stock aka increasing reliability over straight out performance.

@Fabman can correct me if I’m wrong but he has ported heads so he is moving a good amount of air.

If it was in budget, I would go ported CJ so I have the manifold and can decide if I want to do heads and cams later on.

 

[GAR944]

@Fabman can correct me if I’m wrong but he has ported heads so he is moving a good amount of air.

If it was in budget, I would go ported CJ so I have the manifold and can decide if I want to do heads and cams later on.

Unfortunately for me i believe in the buy once cry once philosophy.
Delivery alone will hurt and duty on top so i'm not wanting to pay that twice.
It needs more hp and i'm staying N/A. I know with the current hp it needs more rpm for the gearing and tracks i get to.

 

[biggsy]

Unfortunately for me i believe in the buy once cry once philosophy.
Delivery alone will hurt and duty on top so i'm not wanting to pay that twice.
It needs more hp and i'm staying N/A. I know with the current hp it needs more rpm for the gearing and tracks i get to.

I’m with you on that way of thinking lol. To the point I’m also reconsidering lol.

Just to throw a wildcard in the mix…MMR has one that puts out better numbers but I’ve only ever seen one build with it plus the cost is up there up there. If I were to buy I would cry a few times lol

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[GAR944]

Isn't the CJ only beneficial if you do CAMS as well and plan to run over the 7500 rpm limit ? To an extend same goes for the GT350 intake both are options to have if you want to add hot cams down the line. I went with GT350 and ford map mostly because the EU/AUD cars have different ECU maps and I didn't wanted to deal with tuners but preferred something that is an easy bolt-on and will work close to stock aka increasing reliability over straight out performance.

The green line is the CJ from the video with no other changes. The red highlight is the ported 2018. Its that linear gain from 6k to 6.5k then no drop off all the way out that is deal maker for me.


Even the hump from 5100 to 5600 would allow me to spend more time in a better hp zone. By extending the upper limit and being able to hold a lower gear i would effectively shift this graph to the right and spend more time at higher hp.

 

[GAR944]

I’m with you on that way of thinking lol. To the point I’m also reconsidering lol.

Just to throw a wildcard in the mix…MMR has one that puts out better numbers but I’ve only ever seen one build with it plus the cost is up there up there. If I were to buy I would cry a few times lol

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Ouch, i think the rpm range and hp figures they are talking are way outside my comfort zone. I still have to do a throttle body and inlet tube. I'm pricing each part individually and deliberately not totaling it up to not scare myself. I know i need a clutch at some point especially with the rpm gain. I believe there might be an Exedy hypersingle in the country but $3500 AUD. This car is killing me.

 

[bnight]

The green line is the CJ from the video with no other changes. The red highlight is the ported 2018. Its that linear gain from 6k to 6.5k then no drop off all the way out that is deal maker for me.

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Even the hump from 5100 to 5600 would allow me to spend more time in a better hp zone. By extending the upper limit and being able to hold a lower gear i would effectively shift this graph to the right and spend more time at higher hp.
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No need to sell me on the benefits of a 7500 RPM red line. I did increase my top speed a lot from 182 km/h to 191 km/h on my local track because of the 7500 RPM red line of the GT350 Intake Manifold. It really comes down to budget and goals. If you want a monster of a 5.0 N/A you will need the CJ as well as at least L&M Intake cams, ported heads, E85 etc and you probably will be making like 460-470 WHP in the process. But it's expensive and most importantly not a 100% reliable combo. I personally chose the easy button that is the PP3 combo.

 

[GAR944]

No need to sell me on the benefits of a 7500 RPM red line. I did increase my top speed a lot from 182 km/h to 191 km/h on my local track because of the 7500 RPM red line of the GT350 Intake Manifold. It really comes down to budget and goals. If you want a monster of a 5.0 N/A you will need the CJ as well as at least L&M Intake cams, ported heads, E85 etc and you probably will be making like 460-470 WHP in the process. But it's expensive and most importantly not a 100% reliable combo. I personally chose the easy button that is the PP3 combo.

I have these guys 10 minutes away from where i live. They like my car even after i have worked on it. I'll talk to them as well be pulling the trigger that they are happy we can support it here.

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[GAR944]

Bret at AFS is great. He did my 2018 manifold back in 2019. I have a GT350 manifold boxed up to send him. Turnaround time was less than a week. I know you are international so it’ll take a bit longer.

Just sent AFS an email to see if they are happy to ship to Australia.

 

[Fabman]

Because you suggested this, i have looked at Air Flow Solutions. Any issues or any other suggestions?

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Thats who ported my CJ and then later my heads.. Best bang for the buck.

 

[Fabman]

Isn't the CJ only beneficial if you do CAMS as well and plan to run over the 7500 rpm limit ? To an extend same goes for the GT350 intake both are options to have if you want to add hot cams down the line. I went with GT350 and ford map mostly because the EU/AUD cars have different ECU maps and I didn't wanted to deal with tuners but preferred something that is an easy bolt-on and will work close to stock aka increasing reliability over straight out performance.

No the video shows gains with a stock coyote.
I have l&m intake only cams (stock lift) and stock exhaust cams and make 508 rwhp. Would it make more power with big cams? Sure, but the power band narrows and reliability suffers. For some that may be the answer but for me, I like what I have.

 

[Fabman]

@Fabman can correct me if I’m wrong but he has ported heads so he is moving a good amount of air.

If it was in budget, I would go ported CJ so I have the manifold and can decide if I want to do heads and cams later on.

In 2021 I ran my ported cj on a bone stock junkyard gen 2 with L&M cams and made almost 480 rwhp. In 2022 I went with ported heads and a gen 3 short block and made 508. Nice broad power band in both engines.

 

[Mad Hatter]

Add me in for the CJ manifold. But, I would say it needs to be ported as they came pretty sketchy from ford, NOT like a OEM part.. Some are decent and others have gapping joins and lots of rough edges. It was relatively easy to port and you can do it yourself with a little time and patience.

 

[Mad Hatter]

Speaking of the devil. My mechanic just sent me this dyno sheet from a gen1 with cobrajet manifold and a 65mm tb, Car has LTH and a custom tune. The car just got swapped to manual from automatic. 464.8 rwhp.

 

[biggsy]

Speaking of the devil. My mechanic just sent me this dyno sheet from a gen1 with cobrajet manifold and a 65mm tb, Car has LTH and a custom tune. The car just got swapped to manual from automatic. 464.8 rwhp.
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What is Gen 1 rwhp stock ? If you know