A few videos for your viewing pleasure.
You don't have to convince me that a H&N restraint is good, but:
1. None of this videos included an airbag.
2. None compared a crash with & without a roll bar & harness.
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A few videos for your viewing pleasure.
This is all good and everything, and I'm happy to see this finally arrive here in the states, as it has been in effect for almost 10 years in Europe at most trackdays. Harnesses with buckets and a rollbar/rollcage require the use of a H&N device to offset the fact that your body will move a lot less in the seat, thus putting all the absorption of the energy into your neck...
One thing though, and that is very specific to USA, is the total non-sense that it is required to drive with the windows down on track... First of all, I can understand where it comes from in regards to passenger safety and safety crews extracting a guy from a wrecked car through the window. But, glass on cars has evolved a lot in the past 40 years and a shattered window won't be cutting you in half anymore. Second, I would really like to see one of the trackday organizers show me how they pull a 300 lbs driver (even a 200 lbs driver would be difficult), unconscious, through the open window of, let's say, a COrvette C7, or one of our Mustangs... I tried, I can't get inside my car Dukes of Hazzards style, so how can they justify rolling the windows down to pull me out of it after a wreck? And also, as it is supposed to be a safety concern and all, how do they justify the windows down if you dump your car into a gravel pit and have flying rocks getting into your face through the window? Or how do they justify windows down if you rollover and your arm ends up out of the window?
Safety is a good thing, and I totally agree with the HANS device being a requirement in the future, especially with how fast modern cars are, but some rules feel dated to say the least...
What are you driving now, Rick?In my Boss I used a Watson Racing roll bar, Schroth ProFi II six point and a Hans. In my GT350 I ran the WR roll bar, Schroth ASM four point with a Hans. My current car doesn’t have seats that are compatible with harnesses and I won’t be putting a roll bar in it. After using a Hans for the past five years I wanted the extra protection from the Hybrid S even though I know it’s not as safe as when Used with harnesses. I would have preferred the Hybrid Sport but it hasn’t been tested with a three point. I suspect it would work fine.
I looked at the ASM harnesses for my Boss but at the time they were not certified with a Hans. They are now.
I highly recommend calling Schroth, Hans and Simpson directly and ask them questions vs believing everything you read on the internet. All three are more than happy to give their opinions and advice. Also remember anything short of a full race setup is a compromise.
I have a 2014 Porsche 911 C2S with the sport suspension.What are you driving now, Rick?
I'm running into the same issue. I'm semi - retiring the Boss. I've worn my Hans device for years and thankfully never needed it. I don't plan on putting a roll bar in my new car but, I definitely would like greater safety.
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I hear this same argument when discussing the Schroth ASM belts. Regardless I recommend calling Schroth and talk to them directly. They are adamant that the ASM is safe when used with stock seats and airbags, especially vs sitting on the sub belts like I did in my Boss 302.The risk you inherently take when you rely on airbags is that they only protect you from the first impact. If your car hits something and stops, then you're fine, but if it hits something, bounces off and hits something else, by the time the second impact happens the airbags will have deflated leaving you free to move around. If you want to bring that set of risks under control, then a HANS-type device and a window net are the best bet.
Has anyone used the SHR Flex HANS from Schroth Racing?
https://www.schrothracing.com/products/shr-flex
I tried one on this past weekend in Mooresville and was impressed with the size and comfort. SFI certified, flexible and light.