Great question on how to hook up, I spun all the way through second gear the other day racing an SRT8.
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Just get some sticky tires like this:ArizonaGT said:Great question on how to hook up, I spun all the way through second gear the other day racing an SRT8.
5 DOT 0 said:Regardless of the results this is great competition and rivalry. Think of how fast and capable are cars are compared to cars from just a few years ago. I can't wait to see what's next from both Ford and Chevy. 8)
+1 Muscle PLUS handling. Something nowhere to be found in the 60's or 70s.ArizonaGT said:5 DOT 0 said:Regardless of the results this is great competition and rivalry. Think of how fast and capable are cars are compared to cars from just a few years ago. I can't wait to see what's next from both Ford and Chevy. 8)
Agreed. The golden age of Detroit Muscle wasn't the late 60s, it's right now.
PeteInCT said:Maybe it is 2 secs per lap faster. How many laps before it heat soaks and ends up in the parts bin?
As for the comments that the Boss is hard to handle, I'm not sure what car they were driving but if the ZL1 is THAT much 'easier to drive' then I'm not interested. When was it ever a good thing that a cars feedback is more 'under control'? They make it sound like you need to be a pro to wrestle the Boss to the ground on the track.
Sorry, but I'm taking this personally... ;D
PeteInCT said:As for the comments that the Boss is hard to handle, I'm not sure what car they were driving but if the ZL1 is THAT much 'easier to drive' then I'm not interested. When was it ever a good thing that a cars feedback is more 'under control'? They make it sound like you need to be a pro to wrestle the Boss to the ground on the track.
BLAZN BOSS said:As far as the pony car wars go, Gm has always been catching up for 48 years. One year later after Ford, GM has always needed to come out with larger cubic inches and a "better" (?) idea than Ford to compete. Fast forward, finaly after the Camaro/Firebird sales (with even with more HP and better handling) couldnt keep up with Mustang sales, production was ended. Mustang kept forging on, eventually elvolving to a modular engine smaller than the reliable than the 60's 289 the 4.6 liter (280.709 cubic inches), Mustang kept the pony car alive and kicking and still making the competition stuggle to keep up. Now we have the new Coyote, 302 cu in of pleasure, which now is comapred to the "new Camaro" and its 6.2 litre (378 cu in) motor. Again GM NEEDED more motor, higher tech suspension etc to "catch up" to Ford, and this time barely getting ahead. The camaro boys will have something to thump their chests over for a few months, maybe, because utill the new Shelby gets tested against it we Ford guys are speculating. Now we all know that adding this, lowering that, changing shocks, super charging, sticky tires, anything can be made better ONCE YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR BASELINE GOAL IS, this baseline Ford has set since 1964 1/2 for GM. The comparrison for this article should be sticker car against sticker car. The Boss 302 is slated for two years, Ford isnt going to keep screwing with something special, thats our job, so I dont think we will see a Boss modified by Ford for production to compete against the ZL1. How would you feel if you were Gm to have had to do what they are doing just to beat out 302 cu in? All this will probably come to somewhat of an end just like it did in the 70's, no matter, GM is still one year behind Mustang in performance. As far as looks go thats a prefrence thing, what looks good to one guy looks bad to another so that shouldnt be debated.
Tflong24 said:BLAZN BOSS said:As far as the pony car wars go, Gm has always been catching up for 48 years. One year later after Ford, GM has always needed to come out with larger cubic inches and a "better" (?) idea than Ford to compete. Fast forward, finaly after the Camaro/Firebird sales (with even with more HP and better handling) couldnt keep up with Mustang sales, production was ended. Mustang kept forging on, eventually elvolving to a modular engine smaller than the reliable than the 60's 289 the 4.6 liter (280.709 cubic inches), Mustang kept the pony car alive and kicking and still making the competition stuggle to keep up. Now we have the new Coyote, 302 cu in of pleasure, which now is comapred to the "new Camaro" and its 6.2 litre (378 cu in) motor. Again GM NEEDED more motor, higher tech suspension etc to "catch up" to Ford, and this time barely getting ahead. The camaro boys will have something to thump their chests over for a few months, maybe, because utill the new Shelby gets tested against it we Ford guys are speculating. Now we all know that adding this, lowering that, changing shocks, super charging, sticky tires, anything can be made better ONCE YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR BASELINE GOAL IS, this baseline Ford has set since 1964 1/2 for GM. The comparrison for this article should be sticker car against sticker car. The Boss 302 is slated for two years, Ford isnt going to keep screwing with something special, thats our job, so I dont think we will see a Boss modified by Ford for production to compete against the ZL1. How would you feel if you were Gm to have had to do what they are doing just to beat out 302 cu in? All this will probably come to somewhat of an end just like it did in the 70's, no matter, GM is still one year behind Mustang in performance. As far as looks go thats a prefrence thing, what looks good to one guy looks bad to another so that shouldnt be debated.
Concur. That's why I hope the 13 GT 500 beats the ZL1. GM had to do all that to a camaro to beat a n/a 302 with manual shocks, only to hopefully be beaten months later. That would have to piss them off.
I agree. Sadly most of us will never run into a ZL1 on a track to verify the "real story" with this car.PeteInCT said:+1
I think the main thing about ZL1 is that it is not in the price range of a Boss and IT IS NOT A ROAD RACE car no matter what MT or GM want prospective buyers to believe. If cost wasn't part of their equation let them do the same test against a 302S.