Electric cars... the cons

[Anti]

That was the car that killed the Dinosaurs..

 

[blacksheep-1]

Read down a few paragraphs...

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Plus, Ford pays Mach-E owners affected by delays, and Tesla's still not interested in battery swaps.

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[302BOB]

Electric cars are coming if you like them or not...the government,. environment, or whomever don't care......folks, enjoy what you got while you can!!!...Gitty Up!!!

 

[blacksheep-1]

Electric cars are coming if you like them or not...the government,. environment, or whomever don't care......folks, enjoy what you got while you can!!!...Gitty Up!!!

Yeah, land of the free huh?

 

[Mad Hatter]

Well in the end, People will choose which way to go (also known as "the masses", the ones who choose glorious things like automatics and boring SUV family cars). And whether we like it or not, electric cars are way ahead of where they were 10 years ago. Down here our electric bill has dropped significantly with Solar and Windpower popping up like crazy. Would perfer geothermal or hydro, but, it is what it is....

I would have thought if we all went E85, it would be a long way to carbon neutral with the existing fuel and engine technologies. But that sounds to simple and sensible!

 

[302BOB]

Would prefer geothermal or hydro,

Mustang Road Runner or Coyote might be my pick.....

 

[Sjohnson1800]

I don’t think the ICE is going anywhere for awhile but Evs are coming more and more. I just don’t understand how so many manufacturers can just jump in this band wagon and not look for other alternatives. It seems like there’s almost a free pass to try something different and find a better way and everybody just looks at Tesla and goes “hey they did it that’s a great idea!” I just don’t see how mining and tearing apart the earth is any better than drilling. Also I seem to remember years ago when Honda first came out with the insight that they cancelled it due to concerns of cancer with there being so much electricity around and in the car? I feel like that was 20yrs ago so how much electricity and cancer causing stuff is in a Tesla? On a side note my wife’s sister started dating a guy who has a Tesla I told her that if they want to come over he can park across the street lol if you don’t support gas and oil in this house you can get out! Lol (I’m a pipeliner gotta put food on the table)

 

[JDee]

Fuel cells! Whatever happened to them? Such huge potential but the only company I heard of doing anything was Hyundai and that seems to have disappeared as well. Supposedly they emit only water vapour. They run on hydrogen and are supposed to be zero emissions. Personally I like the idea and would be far more likely to buy a fuel cell car than a plug in electric.

They must be good, Musk seems scared of them he is quoted as having called them "mind boggling stupid". And yet they can be fueled in 5 minutes and perform like a gasser car does.

Everyone ignores all the negatives to generating grid power, it's as if it is magic and comes with no strings attached. Which is really dense thinking. About the only free ride on grid electric is with hydro installations, everything else has a big price environmentally. But it's virtually impossible to build new hydro because of all the NIMBY's out there.

Automotive Market - Fuel Cell Cars | Ballard Power

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[302BOB]

JDee, I sense a bit of frustration in your post, and rightfully so!...We are all entering a new age of energy consumption that will change our options for the future............

 

[Stangra]

Fuel cells! Whatever happened to them? Such huge potential but the only company I heard of doing anything was Hyundai and that seems to have disappeared as well. Supposedly they emit only water vapour. They run on hydrogen and are supposed to be zero emissions. Personally I like the idea and would be far more likely to buy a fuel cell car than a plug in electric.

They must be good, Musk seems scared of them he is quoted as having called them "mind boggling stupid". And yet they can be fueled in 5 minutes and perform like a gasser car does.

Everyone ignores all the negatives to generating grid power, it's as if it is magic and comes with no strings attached. Which is really dense thinking. About the only free ride on grid electric is with hydro installations, everything else has a big price environmentally. But it's virtually impossible to build new hydro because of all the NIMBY's out there.

Automotive Market - Fuel Cell Cars | Ballard Power

With 25+ years of expertise in fuel cell technology, Ballard has partnered with leading automotive manufacturers to deliver high performance fuel cell cars.

www.ballard.com

Well ok... consider where the hydrogen comes from:

The vast majority currently is produced using fossil fuels with accompanying CO emissions. A small percent is "Green Hydrogen" that uses renewable energy to power electrolysis extraction from water.... and then were back what you've just stated above

No net environmental gain unless using green hydrogen which ultimately requires a lot electricity to produce. Producing green hydrogen is an additional process over just using the electricity directly. Agreed there's an upside, rapid refueling, eliminating batteries and maybe more efficient storage for on-demand use , but a massive hydrogen manufacture/storage/transportation/distribution infrastructure that doesn't yet exist will be required. But if you like the idea of fuel cells powered by green hydrogen, why not scale down the need for such a large infrastructure and replace the grid entirely with thousands of independent municipal mini-grid cells able to better support specific local demands and collectively, the millions of coming EVs? This would also eliminate possible grid crashes, other potential regional grid issues, and a bunch of long distance transmission lines, that need maintenance and cause wildfires.

 

[VoodooBoss]

While I'm a big fan of the EV I'm not a fan of fuel cells for the above reason. The energy efficiency is very poor. I think EV's are part of the solution but not the answer. The only viable answer at the moment is 3rd and 4th generation nuclear power plants. Wind and solar are not The Answer. I've now owned my Tesla for almost three years now. Guess how many times we've had the car in for scheduled maintenance? Zero times is the correct answer. IMO the EV is the superior daily driver. And manufacturers and dealers should stop focusing on range. The whole range anxiety thing is WAY overblown. I'm a fan of EV's for lots of reasons, saving the planet is not one of them.

I've now seen a couple of Mach E's in the wild so they are getting out there. Hopefully I can test drive one soon.

 

[Sjohnson1800]

I believe they have said to transport the hydrogen they were planning on using existing natural gas pipelines but I could be wrong but if that’s the case there’s already plenty around and can always need more but I am biased

 

[xr7]

Over the road trucking appears to be where the fuel cells are currently being worked on. Toyota is working with Kenworth. Nikola is another player. Tesla has been pushing batteries but they like the others are way behind on what they promised for production. Nikola claims that they will build the infrastructure for their hydrogen using solar power. Supposedly when you lease the truck it includes all fuel costs. We will see.

 

[Norm Peterson]

I've now owned my Tesla for almost three years now. Guess how many times we've had the car in for scheduled maintenance? Zero times is the correct answer. IMO the EV is the superior daily driver.

Scheduled maintenance has never been a criterion of ours with respect to whether any of our cars has been a perfectly acceptable daily driver.

What does make for a superior daily driver is if it is actively engaging and fun to drive . . . I'm spending enough money on this thing, it better be something I'm going to actively like to drive for as long as I keep it. Which on average has been something like 15 years.

And manufacturers and dealers should stop focusing on range. The whole range anxiety thing is WAY overblown.

In normal everyday use, perhaps not. But sometimes it is, and if it happens only a couple of times over the course of your ownership it's very likely going to be a big deal at those times. Kind of like the time on I-40 in NC where I ran a topped-off 18.5 gallon fuel tank down to the point where it took on 18.1 gallons. Only takes once.


Norm

 

[blacksheep-1]

So. I sure hope one of these electric lumps are good at pulling a car hauler

 

[TymeSlayer]

Then there's always the perpetual motion idea. Let me get working on it.

 

[TMSBOSS]

look up “Politicians”. They are always moving and never getting anywhere.

 

[xr7]

Then there's always the perpetual motion idea. Let me get working on it.

Its about tyme somebody got to work on that perpetual motion thing again.

 

[Fat Boss]

Have you guys heard about the solar farm in Australia that will be sending power to Singapore? It's an ambitious effort, planning for 30,000 acres of panels. We're going to see a lot of innovation in the next ten years on the power generation, storage, and transmission fronts.

Australia-Asia Power Link - Wikipedia

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Australia to fast-track world's largest solar-battery project with grid link to Singapore

The 10GW/30GWh Australia-ASEAN Power Link scheme, to be completed in 2027, could well consist of world's largest PV array, biggest battery and longest electrici

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[TMSBOSS]

I am curious how they will insulate high voltage line which will be under water. Over ground lines stand-off from towers and ground. Cant do that underwater very easily. Why not simply place the panels in Malaysia?