A funny thing happened to my brakes at the race track

[Fabman]

Here is the panic stop in question.
I see the guy in front of me has his foot on the brake....and he was hella fast.
I don't see his brakes melting....?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVrKz7qd2dk

 

[Fabman]

I'd recommend the Brembo Race kit if you have unlimited $$$; but you will be able to find capable hardware from any of those manufuacturers.

This kit? http://www.americanmuscle.com/frpp-6piston-brake-kit-0514.html

 

[Fabman]

Or these?



http://www.americanmuscle.com/brembo-mustang-gt500-brake-kit.html?utm_content=Handling+-+Brake+Kit%7CBrembo&utm_campaign=05-14%20Years&utm_source=Google-pla&utm_medium=Shopping&utm_term=%7Bkeyword%7D&AMID=brembo-mustang-gt500-brake-kit-GSBasicFitmentV1&year=2006&T5_Var3=blue&GID=22111

 

[Fabman]

Ooohhh....more:




None of these are for 2006 GT though


http://www.americanmuscle.com/brembo-club-front-brake-kit-slotted3-0712gt500.html


http://www.americanmuscle.com/brembo-gt-front-brake-kit-drilled-red-0714gt500.html


http://www.americanmuscle.com/brembo-gt-front-brake-kit-slotted1-red-0712gt500.html

 

[TMSBOSS]

Ooohhh....more:




None of these are for 2006 GT though


http://www.americanmuscle.com/brembo-club-front-brake-kit-slotted3-0712gt500.html


http://www.americanmuscle.com/brembo-gt-front-brake-kit-drilled-red-0714gt500.html


http://www.americanmuscle.com/brembo-gt-front-brake-kit-slotted1-red-0712gt500.html

Many of the big brake kits sold by AM and others are listed as fitting ONLY if the kits fit with in the stock wheels.

Give them a call and let them know what wheel you are running and they may be able to help.

 

[Shaun12]

I am also running the Ti shims. Our cars are heavy and I don't want hot brakes. I would also consider installing a front brake cooling kit. All that aside, that stop was pretty impressive.

 

[Grant 302]

Many of the big brake kits sold by AM and others are listed as fitting ONLY if the kits fit with in the stock wheels.

Give them a call and let them know what wheel you are running and they may be able to help.

^This. They should fit your car if they fit your wheels. The geometry of the struts, brake mounts, etc. is the same for all S197s.

And that one stop would do it. The cars in front of you don't weigh nearly as much!

Not that it would have helped you much here, but when I've had to stop on track I try to leave room to creep a bit. Just enough to move so that the pads don't sit on the same spot on the rotor for more than a few seconds. I do the same when I bed brakes on the street.

 

[Grant 302]

I am also running the Ti shims. Our cars are heavy and I don't want hot brakes. I would also consider installing a front brake cooling kit. All that aside, that stop was pretty impressive.

^This too. I forget that this is usually a 'given' for our cars. Really is mandatory for track use. Noticed the backing plates are still on the rears. Ditch those too.

Now, it's no wonder you had issues with that stop.

 

[Fabman]

So now I'm torn...do I rebuild what I have an add air ducts and remove backing pads or ditch the system all together?
This was an unexpected expense and I have equipment to buy so I don't have the discretionary coin for a really good set up at the moment....and I'd hate to let those hoosiers just sit all winter and go dry on me....


I'll need at minimum 4 rotors and a front seal kit if the calipers are not too damaged, plus pads.
I have another set of rear calipers so that's just a parts swap. Plus a cooling kit...will 2 1/2" hoses be enough or are the 3" ones mandatory?

 

[Mad Hatter]

Brake cooling kit is a real "must". Night and day difference once you have them on. I think after what happened to you... repairing those brakes would be throwing good money after bad. I have spun out a couple of time after braking from high speeds and my OEM brembos have only now been rebuilt after 4 seasons of hard work. To melt like that, means those Baer calipers are really not for a high Hp car like yours never mind us lesser Hp brethren.

 

[mprichar87]

Here is the panic stop in question.
I see the guy in front of me has his foot on the brake....and he was hella fast.
I don't see his brakes melting....?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVrKz7qd2dk

Damn, that was a panic stop...thanks for not hitting me! If you're hitting 130 on the back straight, what are you hitting on the front?

 

[ArizonaBOSS]

I have another set of rear calipers so that's just a parts swap. Plus a cooling kit...will 2 1/2" hoses be enough or are the 3" ones mandatory?

Get 3" ducts. Brake cooling is very important on our cars, especially if you are full street weight plus a passenger, with the power levels you are putting down.

Like the others have mentioned, the kits you found will fit your car (the spindle is the same so the calipers will bolt up fine) but the wheel spoke/barrel clearance may be an issue depending on what wheels you have; most were made to be used with 18" wheels that weren't available in 2005, and the 15" GT500 kit needs very specific 18" wheels or 19" wheels for clearance.

Here are a few recommendations:

Wilwood: http://www.wilwood.com/BrakeKits/BrakeKitsProdFront.aspx?itemno=140-13882-N&year=2007&make=Ford&model=Mustang&option=Shelby+GT500 There is also a 4-piston setup available for lower $$. The Wilwood "H" pads are pretty good for track use.

StopTech: https://www.zeckhausen.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=11_90_1946_1948&products_id=3221 (We put these on 4 Mustangs here in AZ from 2008-2010 and they work very well, same as what came on Roush's "TrakPak" Mustang)

Also @PAEracing can tell you more about the Brembo Pro Kit stuff (this is what I have on my race car, might be overkill) here if you want something unflappable. https://trackmustangsonline.com/index.php?topic=10577.0

Finally here is a long-running thread here on TMO regarding front brake upgrade options: https://trackmustangsonline.com/index.php?topic=6570.0

However, for minimum expense, I think you will be fine by rebuilding your front calipers (replacing the rears), and adding at a minimum 3" ducting for the fronts plus the Ti shims. Vorshlag offers options to run 4" ducts, as well. @modernbeat

None of those brake kits are going to work well without proper cooling.

 

[Fabman]

Damn, that was a panic stop...thanks for not hitting me! If you're hitting 130 on the back straight, what are you hitting on the front?

Lap before that was 145 on cold tires. I think there is a 150 in the car, or maybe a little better.

 

[Fabman]

Get 3" ducts. Brake cooling is very important on our cars, especially if you are full street weight plus a passenger, with the power levels you are putting down.

Like the others have mentioned, the kits you found will fit your car (the spindle is the same so the calipers will bolt up fine) but the wheel spoke/barrel clearance may be an issue depending on what wheels you have; most were made to be used with 18" wheels that weren't available in 2005, and the 15" GT500 kit needs very specific 18" wheels or 19" wheels for clearance.

Here are a few recommendations:

Wilwood: http://www.wilwood.com/BrakeKits/BrakeKitsProdFront.aspx?itemno=140-13882-N&year=2007&make=Ford&model=Mustang&option=Shelby+GT500 There is also a 4-piston setup available for lower $$. The Wilwood "H" pads are pretty good for track use.

StopTech: https://www.zeckhausen.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=11_90_1946_1948&products_id=3221 (We put these on 4 Mustangs here in AZ from 2008-2010 and they work very well, same as what came on Roush's "TrakPak" Mustang)

Also @PAEracing can tell you more about the Brembo Pro Kit stuff here if you want something unflappable. https://trackmustangsonline.com/index.php?topic=10577.0

Finally here is a long-running thread here on TMO regarding front brake upgrade options: https://trackmustangsonline.com/index.php?topic=6570.0

However, for minimum expense, I think you will be fine by rebuilding your front calipers (replacing the rears), and adding at a minimum 3" ducting plus the Ti shims. Vorshlag offers options to run 4" ducts, as well. @modernbeat

None of those brake kits are going to work well without proper cooling.

This is awesome...i will pour over this tonight. THANK YOU ALL!

 

[ArizonaBOSS]

Here is what happens when you don't have enough cooling, btw: http://www.vorshlag.com/forums/showpost.php?p=57919&postcount=314

3" inlets: http://www.vorshlag.com/product_info.php?cPath=141_142_280&products_id=705

4" inlets: http://www.vorshlag.com/product_info.php?cPath=141_142_280&products_id=634

 

[ArizonaBOSS]

I believe @PeteInCT is a dealer for StopTech, if that is the route you are interested in.

 

[Mad Hatter]

The Stoptech Trophy ST60 are very nice.... I keep asking for a set for Christmas but nothing seems to happen

 

[Grant 302]

Rebuild and sell the Baers to someone who wants more 'bling' than stopping power to offset some of your costs.

Blowfish also has hose and backing plate parts for brake cooling. And with your skills, fab up the front connection to your bumper inlets.

I know this has been an expensive wake up call. Just glad it wasn't via massive failure on track.

 

[VoodooBoss]

A more budget friendly solution is to install a stock Boss 302 or early GT500 front brake setup. Many have beat the crap out of them and they have held up well. When your budget dictates move up to a full race Brembo or Stoptech setup. Adding brake ducts will help your situation immensely.

 

[Mad Hatter]

Totally agree.... you might also think about srf..... its wet boiling temp is way higher then the other race brands. Means you can use it much longer without changing it out.

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