Dark Horse Factory Adjustable Camber Plates

[Junkyard Dog]

maybe 2.5. Mine has very little room to move more in story tower hole

Cut it!

 

[Gunslinger55]

By trying to get screw out the top. Could not do it can’t see all 3 you have to go through the strut tower hole. Some say you can with a ball end hex and get to them. I did not see that happening do spent a few hours on it then threw the screws away

 

[Gunslinger55]

Cut it!

I will at some point. The car has 800 miles on it now lol

You got the same setup cut holes then you might be able to get to set screws then without dropping strut

 

[mikeD4V]

Another option is to cut the threads that protrude through the strut tower opening to slide past/under the opening. Someone here on TMO posted a picture on this approach to avoid cutting the tower opening.

 

[Gunslinger55]

Another option is to cut the threads that protrude through the strut tower opening to slide past/under the opening. Someone here on TMO posted a picture on this approach to avoid cutting the tower opening.

Makes sense sure

 

[mikeD4V]

Post #6

Strut Tower Hole

Looking to go to -3.5° up front (currently -3.0) and need another 1/3“ or so clearance to the inside. Don’t want to buy the cutting fixture, which will also entail me buying other tools, and want to do it quick and dirty if need be.

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[Gunslinger55]

Watching Vorshlag videos with Dark Horse. Very interesting. -3.5/-2.0 on one with vorschlag plates and aftermarket arms (where you might get more camber from) and another with -4.2/-3.2. They don’t cut the holes because that’s illegal under certain rules. They get camber from 4 places top of strut bottom of strut ride height and hub/wheel assembly to strut.. Different ones legal/illegal depending on sport not sure which is which. Easiest top of strut but obviously. TT obviously loves huge amounts of camber and huge sticky tires. The -3.5/-2 seems like a proven amount of camber that can be done on possibly a stock DH with plates. Might need the vorshlag plates. Not sure but i’ll find out (they say -2.5 over stock which is about -1 i think )

Cutting top of strut so it fits under strut tower seems like a good idea vs cutting tower. It all depends on what rules you plan on going by. Since i don't have a real plan yet i don't know what direction yet

I see they sell a cutting fixture so assume thats the fastest easiest and cheapest route.
So this still circles back to how much you can get on the factory plate. Looking at mine cutting will be necessary either the threads or hole

Sorry for the long ramble but i thought their numbers were interesting especially compared to the ford factory numbers

 

[Junkyard Dog]

So this still circles back to how much you can get on the factory plate.

Yes. I am very curious about that. It would be helpful to know before spending money for aftermarket camber plates.

I don't even know if the strut hole interferes before the Ford camber plate runs out of room, or if the Ford camber plate runs out of room before the hole in the strut tower stops the strut movement.

It would certainly be cheaper simply to cut the hole and keep the Ford camber plates. Just the cost of a cutting instrument. And I am not sure looking at it that it needs to be a bigger circle. Why not just some minor clearancing to get full adjustment on the camber plate?

 

[mikeD4V]

@OX1 stated the following in post #6 after cutting the strut threads: “Plates themselves did max out @ 3.2 degrees, with the stock height CFTP springs.”

 

[Junkyard Dog]

@OX1 stated the following in post #6 after cutting the strut threads: “Plates themselves did max out @ 3.2 degrees, with the stock height CFTP springs.”

Sorry, post # 6 where?

 

[Junkyard Dog]

Nevermind, found it.

Thank you, @mikeD4V !!!

Strut Tower Hole

Looking to go to -3.5° up front (currently -3.0) and need another 1/3“ or so clearance to the inside. Don’t want to buy the cutting fixture, which will also entail me buying other tools, and want to do it quick and dirty if need be.

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[Junkyard Dog]

Those red camber plates in @OX1's GT500 do not look like the camber plates in @Gunslinger55's and my Dark Horses.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

How many degrees of camber are available in the Ford stock adjustable camber plates that come on the Dark Horse, if I buy the strut tower cutting fixture tool and open up the strut tower hole?

Here is the stock Ford plate (this picture comes from Vorshlag). I do not know what his comments, 1.5° and 0.53 inches mean in terms of what camber setting you can get on the front. Can you do 3.5° for track day?

Quote from another forum: He said same, drop the strut. "Look closely at my picture. There are 3 countersunk bolts that you loosen, then slide those buggers all the way in." The other poster was not sure about the "set pin" all the way to the left.

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Ford Performance sells them separately.

https://www.ford.com/product/mustang-front-strut-mount-adjustable-camber-p2935370274?gmcid=marketplace-gs-cta-accessories&searchid=20643481100%7C157311292289%7Cpla-293946777986&fcid=pse_20643481100_google-pla&ef_id=Cj0KCQjw9-PNBhDfARIsABHN6-1fAzZ70T4NASYIORq0O6sWRVDuv-LH3GFlwPXqWe3nryMPWxN76b8aAvoHEALw_wcB%3AG%3As&s_kwcid=AL!2519!3!676763613569!!!g!293946777986!!20643481100!157311292289&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=20643481100&gclid=Cj0KCQjw9-PNBhDfARIsABHN6-1fAzZ70T4NASYIORq0O6sWRVDuv-LH3GFlwPXqWe3nryMPWxN76b8aAvoHEALw_wcB

and they say

• Original equipment on 2024-2025 Mustang Dark Horse & 2021-2023 Mach 1 Handling Packs
• Fits 2024-2026 Mustang Dark Horse
• Fits 2015-2026 Mustang EcoBoost & GT
• Fits 2015-2020 Mustang GT350 & GT350R
• Fits 2020-2023 Mustang GT500
• Camber adjustments up to -2.3 degrees and optimized rubber durometer provides excellent handling tunability
• NOTE: Requires all hardware to mount to the strut spring assembly. Additional assembly hardware may be required.

I just don't know if that means -2.3° negative is the maximum camber or if that is the range of adjustment from a starting point that is not 0° ???

 

[Junkyard Dog]

For comparison's sake, only, the Vorshlag plates state, "Camber adjustment is about 2.5° of added negative camber over stock."

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Because Vorshlag advertises this 2.5° "over stock," and we all know you can easily get -3.5° with the Vorshlag plates and cutting of the strut tower (or the bolt on top for clearance, which is an appealing idea).

 

[Junkyard Dog]

By trying to get screw out the top. Could not do it can’t see all 3 you have to go through the strut tower hole. Some say you can with a ball end hex and get to them. I did not see that happening do spent a few hours on it then threw the screws away

Why does Ford even install those three screws? I do not understand. What is their purpose?

 

[Gunslinger55]

Lawyers

You can’t even get the adjustable plates in europe even with handling package

to keep you “safe”

 

[Gunslinger55]

I posted pics of my towers i’ll post them again

Don’t think i’m gonna get much more without cutting something

I’d be interested in the hub wheel to strut adjustment vorschlag said all mustangs have this i’ll have to crawl under and see that would increase the camber available

 

[GAR944]

I’d be interested in the hub wheel to strut adjustment vorschlag said all mustangs have this i’ll have to crawl under and see that would increase the camber available

Have a look at the bottom of page 1 of my old thread, See @GTP comment July 6 about elongating the upper hole and @Stan Whitney comment Dec 13 re "approved" factory repair procedure also.

Splined Strut Camber Bolts - Why are they splined

I'm curious as to why the camber adjustment bolts on the strut leg are splined on the Mustang. They aren't on my other cars. The reason i ask is i had one move a the track on the weekend. Unfortunately couldn't move it back whilst there so had to call it a day. To me it seems strange that having...

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While this is possible, the issue is wheel clearance to strut, 305's may be already as close as you can go so no point.

This was my issue. 285 on a 9.5 and i could max out an aftermarket strut and get close to 5, ran 4 and was happy . Going to a 305 on an 11 and i had to dial the hub/strut leg back and ended back probably somewhere in the 2's with the camber plate already maxed.
Had to go radical to get it back. Now back to 4 after a new alignment. Everything is a juggle when you start getting to the extreme end of the scale.
There is a reason the Ford race cars run fancy stuff.

 

[Junkyard Dog]

4? Wow!

 

[Gunslinger55]

Have a look at the bottom of page 1 of my old thread, See @GTP comment July 6 about elongating the upper hole and @Stan Whitney comment Dec 13 re "approved" factory repair procedure also.

Splined Strut Camber Bolts - Why are they splined

I'm curious as to why the camber adjustment bolts on the strut leg are splined on the Mustang. They aren't on my other cars. The reason i ask is i had one move a the track on the weekend. Unfortunately couldn't move it back whilst there so had to call it a day. To me it seems strange that having...

trackmustangsonline.com

While this is possible, the issue is wheel clearance to strut, 305's may be already as close as you can go so no point.
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This was my issue. 285 on a 9.5 and i could max out an aftermarket strut and get close to 5, ran 4 and was happy . Going to a 305 on an 11 and i had to dial the hub/strut leg back and ended back probably somewhere in the 2's with the camber plate already maxed.
Had to go radical to get it back. Now back to 4 after a new alignment. Everything is a juggle when you start getting to the extreme end of the scale.
There is a reason the Ford race cars run fancy stuff.
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Ahh yes may be maxed out already. Vorshlag uses 3mm spacer min clearance to the strut. Is that the DHR camber plate? Or which one is it? They seem to like -4+ as well