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You must be joking....
Looks like somebodies been drinking the koolaid.

I’m interested to learn more if I’m incorrect. Do you have some sources I can read?

Also another question along the same line as Chris was asking earlier: where does the deep state or whatever you want to call it end and reality begin? Is the idea that trump is the reality fighting against the false reality we’ve all been duped into? If not what is his role?
 

Grant 302

basic and well known psychic
In an alternate reality, I could’ve been this guy’s classmate.

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Ludachris

Chris
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Oh I do t know....those two memes contain accurate statements.
That’s the irony of it.
Perversions of the truth do contain accurate statements a lot of the time. They just purposely fail to include other details or imagery from the situations they’re portraying that would detract from the point/narrative being made. They use extreme examples that aren’t always in context, but they sure do the trick. They’re extremely catchy!

People believe what they want to believe half the time. Memes have become the mainstream way to oversimplify all subjects, and in many cases, mislead. Just depends on your point of view when it’s happening and who’s behind the message.
 

Ludachris

Chris
Staff member
Moderator
I’m pleasantly surprised to see this thread on the 6th page now and it’s been almost all civil. Thank you all for being respectful. I wouldn’t normally leave a thread like this open but I had the feeling many would benefit from discussing it in a mature environment like this, where we can get some meaningful thoughts on it.

I’m seeing a few replies that lead me to believe it might not last too much longer so please do try and not toss out insults when someone posts something you think is stupid or naive. If it gets to that point I’ll just lock it down and we can get back to talking cars and racing again.


As always, if you have any concerns you’d like to share with me privately, just PM me.
 

Grant 302

basic and well known psychic
As always, if you have any concerns you’d like to share with me privately, just PM me.

What’s wrong with posting about concerns like @ChrisM did? I don’t think we need threads like this here. It’s a bit of a strange experiment if you didn’t think it could remain civil. And for what purpose does it serve the TMO community?
 

Ludachris

Chris
Staff member
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What’s wrong with posting about concerns like @ChrisM did?
nothing at all wrong with that. Why would my letting people know they can PM me if they like lead anyone to believe it’s not okay to post concerns here?

I don’t plan on changing course and allowing other hot button issues, I just felt like this one shouldn’t be shut down right away. For the most part it’s gone okay. I don’t envision it being open forever as it will undoubtedly get more off topic as more time passes and restraint will dry up.
 

Grant 302

basic and well known psychic
I recognize that it's not TMO's job to try to bridge differences between social or political belief systems, but I think it's a positive contribution to a better world when these conversations happen, and if by chance, they happen here, so be it.

How so? Do you think a single member has benefited, aside from venting their views and frustrations?
 

Grant 302

basic and well known psychic
nothing at all wrong with that. Why would my letting people know they can PM me if they like lead anyone to believe it’s not okay to post concerns here?

Just how it sounds. Like a direction to PM you only, if you don’t like it. Otherwise you might just ask openly-

Does anyone have any issues with this thread remaining open?

Or

Please post or PM if you have issues with this topic.

Or whatever...and just asking people to remain civil, as usual.
 

blacksheep-1

Epic Contributor
I actually find this thread encouraging, I've long said, give me 2 people that ardently disagree and put them together, sooner or later they will find something bvb they agree on ( in this case. Mustangs) and then they can whittle away to the bigger stuff. I saw a video. I'll not post it, but you can google it ( maybe?) and it talks to the guy who was next to the girl that was shot, at the end of the video, the guy makes a statement that these people republican or democrat don't deserve to be representing anyone.
With regards to term limits, at one time, a state's governor picked the senators, so each 4 years, you had a chance to change your reps. That changed with an amendment, it was sold as.. " you get to choose your own senators" it was passed, and now we're stuck with entrenched politicians for decades
 
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Grant 302

basic and well known psychic
Sure, but you started the thread!
 

Grant 302

basic and well known psychic
I have a strong belief that respectful disagreement is a powerful tool for making better decisions, so even if someone doesn't change their view on a topic, reading or hearing contrary views is beneficial.

I like this sentiment. And for once, I would like to see any sort of benefit.

Taking the mask discussion in the Covid thread, I find there was a lot of civil discussion about masks but no real change in understanding or behavior. But have difficulty seeing the benefit.

...

On the common ground, I too believe in term limits. Eliminating career politicians. But how to proceed with getting rid of people who get to vote on their own pay raises and retirement benefits? This thread isn’t about that.
 

blacksheep-1

Epic Contributor
The guy in the helmet, retired Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Larry Rendall Brock Jr, just happened to swing by the capital the other day to check out the sites. Always bring some zip ties with you, never know when you might need some.


Is that a legit statement? I can see no reason why a protestor would have zip ties to subdue a person, on the other hand, an out numbered security force is more than likely to grab someone in the building (not a protestor) that has some law enforcement training and throw some gear on them, that is entirely plausible.

So now, days later the tech mob has decided to choose sides, they have deplatformed Trump and a ton of conservative talking heads, when they migrated to Parler, Beezos has threatened to shut that down as well. They want o explain it by saying that they are not holding up their end of the community standards, and for sure there have been direct threats made (although I really doubt they have the capabilities to carry anything out) So it would seem that those calling the other side "fascist" are pretty good at implementing fascism.
Here's a lesson that had to be learned the hard way. I was on a 300 member fire department with basically, a horrible chief, cronyism abounded for his tenure, he slapped a stripper at a club, was caught driving drunk but was let off because he was the fire chief, it was a total ****show. When guys would come to him with problems, he would accuse them of lying or making it up, or not having all of the facts, and he would punish them. He couldn't do anything from a disciplinary standpoint because, for the most part there was no overt insubordination, but he would move them from their stations, make them the "move guy" to cover staffing issues all over the city, just gaming people.
Well he kept this up and I begged him to take these guys seriously, but he refused, I also told him to NOT drive this underground, as it was, he could deal with it, but sure enough he punished enough folks that they feared talking out. So there was a web page created called "us vs them" and it blistered this guy. There was enough facts there that eventually the mayor asked him to resign.
The point is this, the episode at the capitol shook the tree, now the influential side, the side that spends twice as much money on elections has decided to play the same game this chief did. Deplatforming, taking away the ability to speak ones grievances, or opinions. So the same caveat applies, don't drive this underground, there are about 80 million of those people out there and they are not stupid. They are also not "Trump" supporters at heart, they are middle class working slobs who are fed up with government not listening to them.
I noticed the photo of the confederate flag that made it into the capitol, (and of course the news), when my wife and I were watching this unfold we saw flags from Vietnam Laos, Cambodia, Cuba, Canada to name a few, that somehow didn't make the front page because... ratings, and their agenda.
One of the things that General Grant, and R.E. Lee got right at Appomattox, was to actually end the war. Grant knew (and was vilified for it later) that he had to offer light terms to make it happen, Lee, being a West Point grad and an honorable person, also knew that if he didn't end the war RIGHT THEN it would become an insurgency and we'd probably still be fighting it, 100 years later, the British also finally figured it out and after decades of insurgent fighting they granted Ireland independence. It would seriously be a real bad thing to have that happen here in the US. there has to be a high level of individual representation in our government either way.
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