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lbp said:This is cool.
Many thanks RRBoss302.
Nicely done!
You're welcome sir, my pleasure.
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lbp said:This is cool.
Many thanks RRBoss302.
Nicely done!
2012Boss302 said:Will a tune ever be in your future ????
steveespo said:The air/fuel ratio with the red key and 84.5 mm TB look a little lean, actually a lot lean, if you run that on a road race course you may just need the warranty. A tuner will get that into a 12.2 - 12.4:1 mixture and keep it from burning the pistons down during sustained running at WOT.
Steve
lbp said:Good call Steve; I agree on your a/f observation.
I will say that When I called Accufab they were totally non-committal when I pushed on whether the factory tune would unconditionally accommodate their TB.
The guy I spoke, with who was a "Product Manager," had never heard of "Track Key." - That alone was enough for me to stay away.
As per RRBOSS302's intentions I do not think the security-blanket logic holds up; there will always be issues.
What the heck, we all know how flaky even Ford's tune/computer/harness/sensors, etc. can be, so RRBOSS302's dilemma is not unique.
Having said that, I too was hung up on the warranty paradoxes of enjoying a "factory hot rod."
However, the RR power plant now more that 2 years old is no longer an unknown.
There are plenty of good tuners who can create reliable maps for this beast.
Unfortunately that doesn't help RRBOSS302 either and none of this really addresses his warranty concerns.
...Bottom line: Ford could easily attribute any problems to "out-of-sight/out-of-mind" bolt-ons whether the part is in the Ford catalog or not.
This kinda reminds me of the BS we all went through with vendors trying to answer questions with a straight face about KOOKS LT cat issues a while back.
steveespo said:That throttle body has Ford Racing laser etched in it for a reason. So you get a 2 year warranty on that part for manufacturing defects. Read the FRPP catalog disclaimers, if a part doesn't have the 50 state legal icon it is an off road/racing only part that can and void your new car warranty if deemed to contribute to a failure. You can bet if an engine fails that TB will be identified as a cause along with the non OEM intake.
In event of failure you could game the system by removing the offending parts and reinstalling the OEM parts, this could be construed as fraud though so be careful. I personally have no engine or drivetrain warranty since just about everything is modded.
Food for thought.
Steve
steveespo said:
steveespo said:The air/fuel ratio with the red key and 84.5 mm TB look a little lean, actually a lot lean, if you run that on a road race course you may just need the warranty. A tuner will get that into a 12.2 - 12.4:1 mixture and keep it from burning the pistons down during sustained running at WOT.
Steve
steveespo said:I'm right behind you, had to halt installation because I'm in Colorado.
Steve
JohnJScheier said:So... I should expect you by later today to assist with my roll bar installation... or at least to drink beer?
;D
steveespo said:
Grant 302 said:I concur with the 'a little lean' side of things and have been wondering for months why nobody has said anything about this yet. Especially on SVTP where all dyno charts get heavily analyzed and scrutinized.
The reason I believe this car was making more power with the Red Key is because it's programmed to run a little fat on the top end and the slightly under-metered setup can take advantage of it, then apparently squeeze a bunch of extra ponies out. The tradeoff is that you are taking away the intended safety buffer and cooling which should come from running a tad rich. Even if detonation isn't an issue, I'm sure this setup would run on the hot side on track.
Well mine didn't last week with temps in the 80's but next weekend will be a real test with temps in the 90's. In fact last weekend my car ran surprisingly cool and I was watching it closely. Never saw CHT above low 220's using TK.Grant 302 said:I concur with the 'a little lean' side of things and have been wondering for months why nobody has said anything about this yet. Especially on SVTP where all dyno charts get heavily analyzed and scrutinized.
The reason I believe this car was making more power with the Red Key is because it's programmed to run a little fat on the top end and the slightly under-metered setup can take advantage of it, then apparently squeeze a bunch of extra ponies out. The tradeoff is that you are taking away the intended safety buffer and cooling which should come from running a tad rich. Even if detonation isn't an issue, I'm sure this setup would run on the hot side on track.
NFSBOSS said:Well mine didn't last week with temps in the 80's but next weekend will be a real test with temps in the 90's. In fact last weekend my car ran surprisingly cool and I was watching it closely. Never saw CHT above low 220's using TK.
Ahh Grasshopper. I have lowered engine mounts, 1/2" lower than stock. Clears by 1/4".bmws52 said:How do you get the strut tower brace to fit with this manifold?
steveespo said:Ahh Grasshopper. I have lowered engine mounts, 1/2" lower than stock. Clears by 1/4".
Steve