Boss Transmission/Clutch Issues Poll Discussion Thread

[Justin]

What was your total $$$$ outlay for all the parts ?

anyone in particular? I have the following:

• 
  Mgw shifter
  Boss 302 knob
  Dot 4 fluid
  JHR heavy duty line
  Center force DYAD clutch
  Redline MTL fluid
  Boss LS TRANS scoop
  GT500 pedal assembly
  DSS alum driveshaft

 

[VoodooBoss]

Very similar to Justin:

MGW shifter
Ford Racing shift knob
Dot 4 fluid
JHR heavy duty clutch line (waste of money)
McLeod RXT clutch and flywheel
Redline MTL fluid
Boss LS TRANS scoop
Removed clutch pedal assist spring

 

[VTBoss302]

Time for FOMOCO to step up with either:

a) a solution to the issue

OR

b) offer a 2013 GT500 tranny, clutch, driveshaft and related parts package at an affordale price point for afflicted Boss owners

My 2 SAE HP...

 

[unrealford]

Re: Re: Boss Transmission/Clutch Issues Poll Discussion Thread

Time for FOMOCO to step up with either:

a) a solution to the issue

OR

b) offer a 2013 GT500 tranny, clutch, driveshaft and related parts package at an affordale price point for afflicted Boss owners

My 2 SAE HP...

I agree, I'd pay to upgrade.

 

[athens7]

Yesterday, I took my car to my regular Ford dealer for an oil change, brake fluid replacement (ATE Super Blue out, Motul RBF600 in), and the clutch concerns. They were able to duplicate the shift lockout at high rpms (with me in the car). Interestingly, the sticking clutch pedal issue did not manifest itself (acknowledgement to Rick ). The service manager had spoken to his Ford engineer, who acknowledged the existence of the problem and admitted that no fix was currently available. While there, I looked inside a 2014 GT500 and saw the assist spring pedal assembly .

Does anyone know of a way to change the fluid in the clutch slave cylinder, other than dropping the transmission? We unclipped the clutch line and drained it, but the fluid in the slave could still be the original DOT3 for all I know. As that ages and absorbs water, I suppose it could contribute to the sticking pedal problem? Does vacuum bleeding the clutch serve to draw any of the slave cylinder fluid out?

Today, I called Ford Customer Assistance to follow up on my call from Monday. The CSR with whom I spoke said there was no record of my Monday call in the system . He put me on hold for 7-8 minutes, then came back and said Ford was aware of the problem ans was working on a solution. He then gave me the name of the Regional Customer Service Manager, and told me I should expect a call from her within 2 business days. He also gave me a case number for follow up. I expressed my disappointment that Ford considered me and my concern so unimportant as to completely blow me off on Monday, for which I got an appropriately concerned apology on behalf of Ford (bfd).

So, add my name to the list of complainants. I wonder what the critical mass of unhappy Mustang owners is in order to get this fixed? Maybe just one, if he or she is injured badly enough. I hope it doesn't come to that.

 

[Justin]

Yesterday, I took my car to my regular Ford dealer for an oil change, brake fluid replacement (ATE Super Blue out, Motul RBF600 in), and the clutch concerns. They were able to duplicate the shift lockout at high rpms (with me in the car). Interestingly, the sticking clutch pedal issue did not manifest itself (acknowledgement to Rick ). The service manager had spoken to his Ford engineer, who acknowledged the existence of the problem and admitted that no fix was currently available. While there, I looked inside a 2014 GT500 and saw the assist spring pedal assembly .

Does anyone know of a way to change the fluid in the clutch slave cylinder, other than dropping the transmission? We unclipped the clutch line and drained it, but the fluid in the slave could still be the original DOT3 for all I know. As that ages and absorbs water, I suppose it could contribute to the sticking pedal problem? Does vacuum bleeding the clutch serve to draw any of the slave cylinder fluid out?

Today, I called Ford Customer Assistance to follow up on my call from Monday. The CSR with whom I spoke said there was no record of my Monday call in the system . He put me on hold for 7-8 minutes, then came back and said Ford was aware of the problem ans was working on a solution. He then gave me the name of the Regional Customer Service Manager, and told me I should expect a call from her within 2 business days. He also gave me a case number for follow up. I expressed my disappointment that Ford considered me and my concern so unimportant as to completely blow me off on Monday, for which I got an appropriately concerned apology on behalf of Ford (bfd).

So, add my name to the list of complainants. I wonder what the critical mass of unhappy Mustang owners is in order to get this fixed? Maybe just one, if he or she is injured badly enough. I hope it doesn't come to that.

the same vac pump can be hooked to the line with a catch can and suck all the old fluid out of the line....this is how I did mine took some redneckenese tech to get it to work but it did.

 

[VoodooBoss]

So, add my name to the list of complainants. I wonder what the critical mass of unhappy Mustang owners is in order to get this fixed? Maybe just one, if he or she is injured badly enough. I hope it doesn't come to that.

Thanks for the update. While not everyone has had issues, for those of us using our Bosses as RCWALP as advertised, it's more a matter of when not if we'll encounter these issues. I've been discussing this with a couple of other BMO members and I think the next step is an organized letter writing campaign to targeted Ford employees including Dave Pericak the godfather of our cars. We wanted to wait until the end of Summer with the idea that as more owners took their Bosses to road courses and drag strips more owners would have issues. This is on the top of my list to do list and I will start work on this soon with a Labor Day weekend target of kicking this off. The idea of the letter writing campaign is not to complain but rather to tell Ford how much we appreciate and enjoy our cars but because of some design deficiencies we're not able to enjoy them as advertised. It will be important for anyone writing a letter to Ford that they have documented issues with their dealer and can provide proof. In other words for those of you having issues please take your Boss to your dealer and get it documented.

Stay tuned.

 

[cloud9]

3 day weekend at BIR. One session in to the weekend and clutch lets go......again.

Looks like a spring let go again but will confirm Monday. Pedal still works normally so I don't think it's the slave. You can row through the gears with the engine shut off, but you can't get into any gear with it running. The exact same symptoms that I had when the anti-rattle spring ripped out the first time....also at BIR. So I'm two years and 4 months into this car (stored 5 months each year in the winter) and about 14,000 miles and that's three clutch failures. The other was a failed slave cylinder. I've had my GT500 for 6 years, plenty of track days and 39,000 miles with NO clutch issues even though they did have two TSBs on the early GT500s.

While I was loading up ChuckP stopped by. He was out there running timing and scoring for the Porsche Club this weekend. He said his clutch let go last week at Summit Point exhibiting the identical symptoms to mine. It's currently sitting at the dealer awaiting diagnosis, but in all likelihood the same issue.

 

[VTBoss302]

3 day weekend at BIR. One session in to the weekend and clutch lets go......again.

Say it ain't so.

Your patience must be wearing thin..

Perhaps it's time to dust off the GT500 and use it as a spare RCWALP...

EDIT - spelling

 

[Boomerstoys]

Thanks for the update. While not everyone has had issues, for those of us using our Bosses as RCWALP as advertised, it's more a matter of when not if we'll encounter these issues. I've been discussing this with a couple of other BMO members and I think the next step is an organized letter writing campaign to targeted Ford employees including Dave Pericak the godfather of our cars. We wanted to wait until the end of Summer with the idea that as more owners took their Bosses to road courses and drag strips more owners would have issues. This is on the top of my list to do list and I will start work on this soon with a Labor Day weekend target of kicking this off. The idea of the letter writing campaign is not to complain but rather to tell Ford how much we appreciate and enjoy our cars but because of some design deficiencies we're not able to enjoy them as advertised. It will be important for anyone writing a letter to Ford that they have documented issues with their dealer and can provide proof. In other words for those of you having issues please take your Boss to your dealer and get it documented.

Stay tuned.

This is a terrific idea and I'm in on the letter writing campaign. The sooner the better but waiting to Labor Day may be best because for many the end of the track season is around Labor Day.

What's really troubling is why some of us have many issues and others are free form any issue when they track their Boss. It almost makes me think it's not only a "parts" issue but may be "assembly" as well. I've had both my clutch and transmission replaced and still have my "lockout" going to 5th but it is not as bad.

Thank NSFBoss!

3 day weekend at BIR. One session in to the weekend and clutch lets go......again.

Looks like a spring let go again but will confirm Monday. Pedal still works normally so I don't think it's the slave. You can row through the gears with the engine shut off, but you can't get into any gear with it running. The exact same symptoms that I had when the anti-rattle spring ripped out the first time....also at BIR. So I'm two years and 4 months into this car (stored 5 months each year in the winter) and about 14,000 miles and that's three clutch failures. The other was a failed slave cylinder. I've had my GT500 for 6 years, plenty of track days and 39,000 miles with NO clutch issues even though they did have two TSBs on the early GT500s.

While I was loading up ChuckP stopped by. He was out there running timing and scoring for the Porsche Club this weekend. He said his clutch let go last week at Summit Point exhibiting the identical symptoms to mine. It's currently sitting at the dealer awaiting diagnosis, but in all likelihood the same issue.

Don't think I'd be able to deal with the extend of your issues cloud 9. LEMON LAW would be foremost on my mind. That just CRAZY to have this number of failures!!!!!! Good luck!

Cheers!

 

[VTBoss302]

http://www.drivingenthusiast.net/sec-blog/?p=11244

"
Ford has always had a very strong presence at the Woodward Dream Cruise and this year will be no exception. But there are dark clouds over Ford due to quality issues, for for enthusiasts very dark clouds over the Mustang because of the MT82 disaster. Nonetheless, Ford will be showing them, broken transmissions and all. And how interesting that Ford offers to install parts that many dealers would void the warranty because of.
"

 

[VTBoss302]

Break it down...





:-X

 

[VTBoss302]

History of the MT82 :

This is a subject better suited to more knowledgeable persons than I, however, from what I remember it has appeared in the:

Ford Transit

Land Rover Defender

Ford Mustang

Note : Assuming (a big assumption) it first appeared in the Transit and then later the Defender it was more than likely never designed to handle a Boss' prodigious output

If Ford really cares about it's future and not current shareholder value they will step up...

We need to arm ourselves with science and knowledge if we are ever going to get Ford to do the right thing...

I can only wonder what the Boss (ex-Boeing) thinks about all this???

:-\

 

[raptor]

So has anyone here just spent the money and put in a gt500 tranny?

 

[Justin]

So has anyone here just spent the money and put in a gt500 tranny?

you are better off with the T56 XL swap. stonger and no remote shifter....GT500 trans has its own issues...

 

[cloud9]

Say it ain't so.

Your patience must be wearing thin..

Perhaps it's time to dust off the GT500 and use it as a spare RCWALP...

EDIT - spelling

It is getting pretty thin but can't think of anything else but to soldier on and probably put in a better clutch. I just ordered an F650 but am thinking of canceling the van body and building it as a toter so I can bring the GT500 as a backup :-\ Odds are my luck has to get better

I think most of the issues are clutch related......3 failures and my tranny is still fine. I haven't been hearing of an inordinate number of trannies blowing up although there have been a few. Those that have gone with an aftermarket clutch seem to be trouble free so far.

 

[Boomerstoys]

Personally not sure that it's clutch only. Think it's a combination of things, but for me I think heat & torque are responsible for my lock out issue.

I just added a high level friction modifier (Level 1) to the tranny. It has virtually eliminated the cold sticky grinding issue I've had since day one on 1st to 2nd & 2nd to 3rd shifts when the car is cold. I have yet to take it to the track, so I don't know if it eliminated the 5th gear lock out. Never had the clutch stick to the floor, and when I described my issues to McLeod they didn't think "my" issue was the clutch, even though several people have had success with replacing the clutch.

Hope all issue are resolved by Ford identifying the culprit of the shifting issues and providing a "fix" so we can all fully enjoy this great little beast without having to throw money & parts at the car to have it perform as intended.

Cheers!

 

[VTBoss302]

So has anyone here just spent the money and put in a gt500 tranny?

With a little luck...

Ford Racing could put together a complete package from bow (bellhousing) to stern (driveshaft) aimed @ GT / Boss owners as they've done with numerous other Shelby parts to make them more affordable for enthusiasts..

Hopefully, mwilson7 will read this.

Hopefully, I haven't scared him off

Believe it or not, there really are people @ FOMOCO and Ford Racing that "get it"

 

[Jimmy Pribble]

I'm getting my replacement transmission next Monday. The service writer tells me that it's a new part number, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. That could just mean it was assembled by a different vendor. I was optimistic for fix, but I would think a fix would have arrived with more fanfare. Now I'm doubtful. Whatever I learn, I will post-up.

They did agree to install the FRPP shifter for me for free. I would have done a clutch, but I don't have the scratch. As it is, I had to divert oil cooler funds in order to get the shifter.

Hey, VT. Do you have a parts list for your exploded(!) transmission diagram?

 

[VTBoss302]

Hey, VT. Do you have a parts list for your exploded(!) transmission diagram?

Jimmy, hope you have better luck with your replacement transmission

So far, I haven't been able to find part #'s

Perhaps someone a little more internet savvy than me can come up with something

I do know that several of the transmission specialists in the UK are rebuilding the Transit and Defender MT82 variants, but I don't know what, if anything, they're doing to make them better

Rumor has it that Revolution Auto in Maryland is doing Mustang MT82 rebuilds

Sorry I can't be of more help