Project Super Beater Profile - S197 Mustangs

[blacksheep-1]

So the fuel pump/ sending units got here from Alpha Centauri, Delphi is the best I could do, so I installed them. When you are trying to hold the new pumps in and start the retaining ring, it is a PITA.
So what I did was to polish/ bend the Tab down so it will ingage easier

 

[blacksheep-1]

Ok, sooo.. ran the superbeater at the FIRM, had a great time. More importantly the fuel slosh was gone, stuffing the fuel foam into the crossover in the tank seems to have solved it. I let it get under a 1/4 of a tank to make sure, no bizarre fuel level readings, no starvation.





There was this sweeping corner ( actually 2 corners, treated as one) if it was going to have an issue, it should've been here.

 

[Bill Pemberton]

Interesting and were you there with on an SCCA Track night, NASA event, or open track day? I knew some guys years back who were considering investing in that track but I lost touch with them and not sure if they still have interest in the motorsport venue.

 

[blacksheep-1]

Interesting and were you there with on an SCCA Track night, NASA event, or open track day? I knew some guys years back who were considering investing in that track but I lost touch with them and not sure if they still have interest in the motorsport venue.

There is 1 sketchy corner with virtually no runoff. This was an open track day, they have them on Fridays with about 30 cars instead of 100 on Saturday.
I took your advice and ran the intermediate class, and when necessary waved people past. I knew the Miata team that was there, and one thing I have learned is that you can't race miatas on a short track unless you like to do bodywork.
In short, I was just out there enjoying myself, testing systems, and staying out of people's way.

 

[Bill Pemberton]

Great test as I imagine you will be getting plenty of PMs or posts asking about your success with your lack of fuel starvation. Sounds like a good time and smaller turnouts is always beneficial to really work on various corners or to test changes to one's car.

 

[blacksheep-1]

Pretty cool history..

The FIRM

Florida may not be the immediately obvious location for a successful motorsport centre based around the art of rallying, given the relative lack of popularity for the sport in the USA. However, the Florida International Rally and Motorsport Park (better known more simply as The FIRM) has grown...

www.racingcircuits.info

 

[Paul McWhiskey]

For real.. don't remember my last tetanus shot, but the 100 octane prolly cleaned it out. Burned like the fires of hell.



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Yikes! I’ve got skin just like that. Can’t wait to have to do that job.

 

[blacksheep-1]

Someone on here built some special steel shims for use with the Ford limited slip unit, and asked me to try them. Finally, 3 years later, I did, they work great, it definately compresses the fiber
( carbon fiber, in this case) So there is more drag on the diff when you spin it by hand. ( @TeeLew was that you?).



Also, for those scoring at home, I practice what I preach, non adjustable lower trailing arms from the parts pile, an adjustable Panhard bar from the same pile, with Ford Performance shocks and springs, no anti squat thingies and a stock upper arm.

 

[TeeLew]

Someone on here built some special steel shims for use with the Ford limited slip unit, and asked me to try them. Finally, 3 years later, I did, they work great, it definately compresses the fiber
( carbon fiber, in this case) So there is more drag on the diff when you spin it by hand. ( @TeeLew was that you?).

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Hot Damn, @blacksheep-1 , I was wondering what had happened to those! I gave you the 4x4 stack, but I'm putting a 5x5 in mine. It's going in shortly. I've got a deal this week/weekend, but maybe next week I'll get it done. My diff definitely has more preload just assembled with the new plate stack. It will be interesting to see what it does in anger. Some smart people helped me do those, so I'm hoping for the best.

 

[TeeLew]

Now go give them hell until they turn blue and explode so I know what to do next!


General information to put out there. Live and IRS 8.8's using a Traction Lok Diff use the same drive/driven plates in the diff.

 

[blacksheep-1]

Hot Damn, @blacksheep-1 , I was wondering what had happened to those! I gave you the 4x4 stack, but I'm putting a 5x5 in mine. It's going in shortly. I've got a deal this week/weekend, but maybe next week I'll get it done. My diff definitely has more preload just assembled with the new plate stack. It will be interesting to see what it does in anger. Some smart people helped me do those, so I'm hoping for the best.

Lucky I remembered that far back..lol

 

[KazarS197]

It really didn't I crammed it into the saddle portion of the tank to prevent the back and forth sloshing ( at least I hope) fuel will still pass, and it will absorb fuel, but it won't have the free flow effect back and forth between the tanks.

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For reference for me and other guys in the future. Is this fuel foam size big enough for the saddle cross over? The price seams pretty darn good to help potential solve a major issue and only decreases fuel capacity by 3%. You, also, installed a Delphi fuel pump. Was that an upgrade or just a replacement?

Fuel Cell Anti-Slosh Safety Foam Tank Baffle Inserts 14x4x6'' , Each BLACK US | eBay

1X Fuel Cell Tank Safety Foam Block. --Minimizes fuel sloshing during cornering, acceleration and braking. --Prevents unexpected handling effects caused by weight transfer of sloshing fuel. --Easy to install through fuel cap hole.

www.ebay.com

 

[blacksheep-1]

For reference for me and other guys in the future. Is this fuel foam size big enough for the saddle cross over? The price seams pretty darn good to help potential solve a major issue and only decreases fuel capacity by 3%. You, also, installed a Delphi fuel pump. Was that an upgrade or just a replacement?

Fuel Cell Anti-Slosh Safety Foam Tank Baffle Inserts 14x4x6'' , Each BLACK US | eBay

1X Fuel Cell Tank Safety Foam Block. --Minimizes fuel sloshing during cornering, acceleration and braking. --Prevents unexpected handling effects caused by weight transfer of sloshing fuel. --Easy to install through fuel cap hole.

www.ebay.com

That looks exactly like what I bought , I had already done the pump, but I broke one of those plastic tubes that are belched from the pits of hell, so I just replaced everything. I would've prolly preferred a Bosch pump, but none were available. The pump was a stock replacement.

 

[KazarS197]

That looks exactly like what I bought , I had already done the pump, but I broke one of those plastic tubes that are belched from the pits of hell, so I just replaced everything. I would've prolly preferred a Bosch pump, but none were available. The pump was a stock replacement.

Thank you!

 

[blacksheep-1]

While I was in there, I figured I'd replace everything

 

[TeeLew]

I would've prolly preferred a Bosch pump, but none were available. The pump was a stock replacement.

Those are getting very tough to find.

 

[blacksheep-1]

Those are getting very tough to find.

Well, by "stock" I meant stock spec, the pump and senders are Delphi, sorry if that wasn't clear

 

[TeeLew]

Well, by "stock" I meant stock spec, the pump and senders are Delphi, sorry if that wasn't clear

I was referring to the Bosch one. Last time I was looking for one it was an issue.

 

[blacksheep-1]

Ok, the further adventures of Superbeater.. towed it 1400 miles to the gorgeous Pitt Race only to run about 20 laps. 18 turned, blind corners, great fun but really hard to remember without a lot of laps there.
The fuel issue is gone, stuffing the saddle in the tank with fuel cell foam seems to have done the trick.
Broke the 3650 trans, downshift in 18 didn't feel right, then shifted into " no forward gear" right after that.
One addition, those slightly larger front discs from a 2010 , Stop Tech "stock" calipers and Hawk DT60 pads worked great with no issues, true I was not hammering them as if I was familiar witht he track, but I was still using them.

 

[blacksheep-1]

You know, the guy that invented the integral bellhousing should be fed his own testicles, once or twice and the rest of the engineering staff would fall right in line..