The GT350R

[fuhrius]

when is that race?

 

[Grant 302]

Did nobody see the 350R CTSCC news? :-\

3/21

Had to look it up. By the time I did, I forgot what I was doing. : old age ya, know. :-[

 

[cloud9]

Also, I've heard that CCB's are not going to be offered at all and there just wasn't enough of a difference to justify the added expense.

"Whew"

 

[Grant 302]

"Whew"

That's how I felt when they weren't in the base GT350. I wouldn't be able to afford any track time with them.

 

[VoodooBoss]

 

[ArizonaBOSS]

You just need to see the spoiler in-person, it will all make sense then.

 

[superhero]

This is starting to feel like torture.......I just have to keep reminding myself......

And look how much he has aged from having Patience...
I'm just glad that in my case I know I'm not getting one and will remain young forever. 8)

 

[VoodooBoss]

Interesting photo of the R wing. Not sure why Ford has that added brace in there but one has to suspect there's an issue with the rigidity of the wing.

 

[twistedneck]

Also, I've heard that CCB's are not going to be offered at all and there just wasn't enough of a difference to justify the added expense.

Since there haven't been any pics and no Ford exec mentioned them, I figured that has to be the case. Despite the 'order form' leak.

Its not due to pricing its performance. Rumors say this car performs much better with the iron rotors and its all air flow related. I guess Brembo demands a specific airflow spec or something and the amount of air they had was perfect for the iron rotors not so much for the carbon so iron clearly out performed it. Not sure but maybe it had something to do with the carbon wheels not eating heat also.

 

[twistedneck]

Interesting photo of the R wing. Not sure why Ford has that added brace in there but one has to suspect there's an issue with the rigidity of the wing.

Those tires are way to huge IMO. its like the Z28 started this gigantic auto cross inspired over huge tires - a lot like the Pro turing Mark Stielow, Vorschlag crowd.. everyone wants the huge amount of mechanical grip and throw out refined manners and high speed drag. the freaking drag they create is horrifying and i'm sure it limits top speed.

on a track w speeds less than 140mph I get that a 305 rear and 295 front are worth it but 315 rear 305 front are steamroller sized. not only the aero drag, tram lining, and rolling resistance.. its the ugly factor. granted the bearings on this car are made much stronger than s197 just to deal with these meats. 295 square setup is the max IMO for looks and speed.

Examples

 

[DGRacing]

Interesting photo of the R wing. Not sure why Ford has that added brace in there but one has to suspect there's an issue with the rigidity of the wing.

It might be a sensor measuring flex or vibration. They are probably trying different materials and want to see how it behaves.

Let's hope its not a brace. It's already questionable from the looks department to me. It screams Subaru Sti.

 

[fuhrius]

Those tires are way to huge IMO. its like the Z28 started this gigantic auto cross inspired over huge tires - a lot like the Pro turing Mark Stielow, Vorschlag crowd.. everyone wants the huge amount of mechanical grip and throw out refined manners and high speed drag. the freaking drag they create is horrifying and i'm sure it limits top speed.

on a track w speeds less than 140mph I get that a 305 rear and 295 front are worth it but 315 rear 305 front are steamroller sized. not only the aero drag, tram lining, and rolling resistance.. its the ugly factor. granted the bearings on this car are made much stronger than s197 just to deal with these meats. 295 square setup is the max IMO for looks and speed.

I'll take the mechanical grip any day over the consequences of add'l drag. the tracks I like driving don't see speeds in the 140mph range anyway so there wouldn't really be any downside. The aesthetics piece is subjective, obviously, and I like the meat.

 

[DGRacing]

I'll take the mechanical grip any day over the consequences of add'l drag. the tracks I like driving don't see speeds in the 140mph range anyway so there wouldn't really be any downside. The aesthetics piece is subjective, obviously, and I like the meat.

Agree 100%.

After quite a bit of testing, I settled on a wing configuration that gives me more mechanical grip and increased my average speed for a lap at the expense of a couple mph top end speed. I have a larger OD tire which adds top end mph limits to offset somewhat. So I'm all about mechanical grip.

twistedneck does have a point about tire size addiction. lol. There is a point where it gets ridiculous, but its not 305,315's in my opinion - that's what I run! lol
It's got to be paired with the whole package, if you're at 500rwhp the extra .3-.5" treadwidth and rotating mass is worth it if you use it properly in the corners.
Looks are subjective, but more dedicated track/race cars will always look exaggerated and slightly goofy (i.e. stock cars! lol)

 

[twistedneck]

Agree 100%.

After quite a bit of testing, I settled on a wing configuration that gives me more mechanical grip and increased my average speed for a lap at the expense of a couple mph top end speed. I have a larger OD tire which adds top end mph limits to offset somewhat. So I'm all about mechanical grip.

twistedneck does have a point about tire size addiction. lol. There is a point where it gets ridiculous, but its not 305,315's in my opinion - that's what I run! lol
It's got to be paired with the whole package, if you're at 500rwhp the extra .3-.5" treadwidth and rotating mass is worth it if you use it properly in the corners.
Looks are subjective, but more dedicated track/race cars will always look exaggerated and slightly goofy (i.e. stock cars! lol)

I saw the R tires yesterday.. the look HUGE off the rims just sitting there. reminds me of the Viper when i first started working on that i was shocked how wide the rears were. this isn't that wide though. i agree 305 even 315 is probably where we need to be for tracking - the used Conti slicks are 305 / 18's but my buddy who runs them said they are more like 290's.

Doesn't Vorshlag run 345 rear 325 front? now that is huge.

back to topic, its crazy how this street car has such wide and excellent tires. these pilot sport cup 2's are probably the best performance tire ever made for a v8 front engine heavy car, i'd say better than the Trofeo's and those are some of the best in the world - but not Michelin.

 

[DGRacing]

I saw the R tires yesterday.. the look HUGE off the rims just sitting there. reminds me of the Viper when i first started working on that i was shocked how wide the rears were. this isn't that wide though. i agree 305 even 315 is probably where we need to be for tracking - the used Conti slicks are 305 / 18's but my buddy who runs them said they are more like 290's.

Doesn't Vorshlag run 345 rear 325 front? now that is huge.

back to topic, its crazy how this street car has such wide and excellent tires. these pilot sport cup 2's are probably the best performance tire ever made for a v8 front engine heavy car, i'd say better than the Trofeo's and those are some of the best in the world - but not Michelin.

Yeah, not to knock Vorshlag, Terry and co. trailblaze all kinds of stuff - great respect! But that track mustang is over the top in terms of aero and tires! lol

One more off-topic point about tire sizes. And throw this into the mix of confusions. a 305 is not the same 'real' width across brands of tires. Sometimes a larger tire will have a smaller tread width. For example, Hoosier 320/.../18 slicks have .5" less tread width than their 310. etc. etc. some brand 305's are more like 295's, etc.

So in the end, its a process and tradeoffs for a specific car.

 

[modernbeat]

Doesn't Vorshlag run 345 rear 325 front? now that is huge.

We're running 335 fronts and 345 rears in Hoosiers. 335 all the way around in BFG Rivals (street tires).

 

[VoodooBoss]

From the Toronto Auto Show.

 

[fuhrius]

that wing looks bigger every time I see it. still dig the car.

 

[Champale]

Gosh darn I am so in love with that car!!!

I kind of hope Ford loses it's mind and prices it at 100 grand so that I am not tempted to sell my LS!

 

[twistedneck]

I like the drilled rotors - i thought they were supposed to be bad and cracked all the time?

edit: i had written slotted .. Monday quantum mind warping.