The new Z/28 vs. BOSS 302 On Track

[Grant 302]

A solid rear axle would have hooked up :
-Pete

8)

I'm still wondering about the staggered rims, but square tires.

 

[VoodooBoss]

How wide are the fronts? Maybe 11's wouldn't fit?

 

[Roadhouse]

8)

I'm still wondering about the staggered rims, but square tires.

That is quite strange...

 

[steveespo]

What magazine would want to risk loosing GM advertising dollars?

Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords, Mustang Monthly, 5.0 Mustang

 

[VoodooBoss]

Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords, Mustang Monthly, 5.0 Mustang

LOL yep they won't worry about those ad $$

 

[ArizonaBOSS]

8)

I'm still wondering about the staggered rims, but square tires.

Might be used to manipulate the way the tires work; could exaggerate the effect of sidewall flex by design (to change the wheel rate of the tire) if that's what they wanted to do. Or it could just be a fitment thing

 

[Grant 302]

Might be used to manipulate the way the tires work; could exaggerate the effect of sidewall flex by design (to change the wheel rate of the tire) if that's what they wanted to do. Or it could just be a fitment thing

That's what I'm not getting from a handling dynamics standpoint, why they'd stretch the rear and stuff the front. If it was done for fitment or packaging issues, then they might not be looking at the potential adverse handling effects (which I doubt)...but it looks like that might be part of the problem making it hard to recover at the limit.

 

[Johnson13]

When I went on the link to the Camaro forum and read what he had to say, I got the impresion he wasnt pushing the car all that hard cause he was learning it. I laso got the impresion he was "toying" with the BOSS crowd. Thats just what I get from his take. No?

 

[VoodooBoss]

I always spin off track when I'm not pushing it. :

 

[PeteInCT]

Or when you're NOT driving with your eyes in the rear view mirror :

 

[F.D. Sako]

He may have not been pushing it throughout the whole lap, but he was certainlucertainly aggressive with the throttle and shift for that certain turn. To me, it looked like quick weight transfer during gear shift and loss of rear traction after the gear shift was the cause.

Let's learn from other's mistakes! (And share ours )

 

[Boss1601]

I also got the impresion he was "toying" with the BOSS crowd. Thats just what I get from his take. No?

Isn't that what most would say when you overpay by $30k for a track toy?

 

[ArizonaBOSS]

I always spin off track when I'm not pushing it. :

lol

 

[Johnson13]

Im not saying I agree with him, but theres one part where he said he saw the line of BOSS' , passed them all then tried to put some distance on NFSBOSS. He made it sound like it was easy. I am totally impressed with NFSBOSS and tell all the Camaro guys that bug me about the Z/28 smoking everthing they throw at it that "yeah maybe with a Seasoned Pro behind the wheel of both cars". Put the average joe or someone with some experience and it will be much closer than the test articles show. Not everyone who buys either our cars(me included), or the Z or Corvettes has the brass balls needed to drive them to their potential limits.

 

[Grant 302]

What he seems to be missing is that it still takes driver skill to stay in front, regardless of how 'easy' it was to get there. :

I always spin off track when I'm not pushing it. :

This made me laugh every day this past week. ;D

 

[VoodooBoss]

Im not saying I agree with him, but theres one part where he said he saw the line of BOSS' , passed them all then tried to put some distance on NFSBOSS. He made it sound like it was easy. I am totally impressed with NFSBOSS and tell all the Camaro guys that bug me about the Z/28 smoking everthing they throw at it that "yeah maybe with a Seasoned Pro behind the wheel of both cars". Put the average joe or someone with some experience and it will be much closer than the test articles show. Not everyone who buys either our cars(me included), or the Z or Corvettes has the brass balls needed to drive them to their potential limits.

Thanks. The conditions were the same for all of us that day, it was mid 90's by 11:00 on the way up to 108. Like many I wasn't out there beating my car and was going hard one lap hard and the next one backing off so my car would not overheat. For the record that spin took place in turn 2 on the original 3 mile track. We were only allowed to drive the new track during the first session of the morning so during that session there was no new track to learn. When you're driving a car that cost $33K more than a Boss 302 I would hope it could easily pass our cars especially when they are stock. There were only two of us running R comps that day and the rest were on street tires. But like I've been saying for some time if you put the same tires and size as the Z on a Boss and brake pads of your choice it's going to be a lot closer than most think. Remember acceleration times and braking distances are nearly identical. Putting those tires in a 305 square setup should knock 3-4 seconds a lap off of the stock Pirelli's.

But all of this really doesn't matter and it's all good fun. I get passed by Miata's and pass Porsche's all the time.

 

[Johnson13]

Thanks. The conditions were the same for all of us that day, it was mid 90's by 11:00 on the way up to 108. Like many I wasn't out there beating my car and was going hard one lap hard and the next one backing off so my car would not overheat. For the record that spin took place in turn 2 on the original 3 mile track. We were only allowed to drive the new track during the first session of the morning so during that session there was no new track to learn. When you're driving a car that cost $33K more than a Boss 302 I would hope it could easily pass our cars especially when they are stock. There were only two of us running R comps that day and the rest were on street tires. But like I've been saying for some time if you put the same tires and size as the Z on a Boss and brake pads of your choice it's going to be a lot closer than most think. Remember acceleration times and braking distances are nearly identical. Putting those tires in a 305 square setup should knock 3-4 seconds a lap off of the stock Pirelli's.

But all of this really doesn't matter and it's all good fun. I get passed by Miata's and pass Porsche's all the time.

Your welcome! If I lived anywhere near a track, I would so be doing what you and the other guys do every chance I got. Im almost glad I don't because I would probably have gone broke trying to keep up with you guys and made my car into a full fledged race car. Racing is def not a poor mans sport until you get into it so deep, you end up poor! LOL I watch you guys through this site every day and am envious.

 

[WinterSucks]

Your welcome! If I lived anywhere near a track, I would so be doing what you and the other guys do every chance I got. Im almost glad I don't because I would probably have gone broke trying to keep up with you guys and made my car into a full fledged race car. Racing is def not a poor mans sport until you get into it so deep, you end up poor! LOL I watch you guys through this site every day and am envious.

I would look around for some AutoX clubs. They only need a parking lot and it is safer, cheaper, and still a lot of fun.

 

[Grant 302]

I would look around for some AutoX clubs. They only need a parking lot and it is safer, cheaper, and still a lot of fun.

Only somewhat cheaper. I think AutoX is harder on tires and suspension parts. Otherwise I'd do more of that too.

 

[VoodooBoss]

Here's a dyno pull of the Z/28. So about 55-60 more than a typical BOSS 302. And it's about 200 lbs more than a BOSS too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7GI4J45mboc